To: [email address redacted]
Subject: Start law school now and receive reimbursement on your moving expenses
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 [time redacted]
From: rfinch@charlottelaw.eduDear [first name redacted],
I'm Robert Finch, from the office of Admissions at Charlotte School of Law in Charlotte, North Carolina. I noticed that you already have your Bachelor's degree and are therefore eligible to start law school in our spring 2012 class starting January 23, 2012. Additionally, because of your LSAT score of [redacted] and cumulative GPA of [redacted] you could qualify for at least $31,000 in scholarship funds. I have even higher scholarship funds available for our spring class starting January 23rd and because I know that this would be sooner than you were planning, I also have some moving expense reimbursement funds of up to $2,000 (for spring only).If the spring is not an option for you, our fall 2012 application is also currently available. Both our spring and fall applications are FREE and no fee waiver code is needed when you apply online at theLSAC website.
Kind Regards,
Robert
Robert D. Finch, MBA, JDOffice of Admissions
The Charlotte School of Law currently costs $37K per year to attend in tuition and fees, so this scholarship offer [someone in comments who is thinking like a lawyer points out that this isn't an actual scholarship offer at all, but more of an offer to make an offer, as is the promise of "up to" $2000 in moving expenses -- clearly I'm not nearly cynical enough yet] would still leave the potential student with the responsibility of coming up with at least another $81K in tuition money, assuming the scholarship was retained and tuition didn't rise. This is someone who currently has a full-time job. (Addendum for recent law grads: This job includes a salary and benefits).
Basically, someone who took the LSAT last month in order to dip a toe in the maybe I should go to law school waters is being offered two thousand dollars American, cash on the barrel as they say in Contracts, to pack up the Subaru and move to Charlotte this week, in order to start law school the week after that.
And what will this lucky winner receive in return for three years of his or her life and a couple of hundred thousand dollars in direct costs and opportunity costs? This:
Job Placement Statistics
The job placement rate for Charlotte Law program completers from December 2009 to August 2010 was 94%.
The accrediting agency to which job placement data is reported is the American Bar Association. Job placement data is also reported to NALP.
Our program prepares graduates for the following positions listed by the Standard Occupational Classification (SOC) SOC Code Occupation O*NET 23-1011 Lawyers http://www.onetonline.org/find/quick?s=23-1011 23-1021 Administrative Law Judges, Adjudicators,
and Hearing Officershttp://www.onetonline.org/find/quick?s=23-1021 23-1022 Arbitrators, Mediators, and
Conciliatorshttp://www.onetonline.org/find/quick?s=23-1022 23-1023 Judges, Magistrate Judges, and Magistrates http://www.onetonline.org/find/quick?s=23-1023 25-1112 Law Teachers, Postsecondary http://www.onetonline.org/find/quick?s=25-1112
For more information about CharlotteLaw’s Center for Professional Development, please contact Director Aretha V. Blake at ablake@charlottelaw.edu or 704-971-8520.
Prediction is always dangerous, but this just one of several signs that, even as early as this fall, some bottom tier schools are going to have trouble finding enough
It can, and it will.
What the hell is o-net?
ReplyDeleteWho has told you that it cannot happen?
ReplyDeleteThank you for continuing to expose this sick foul industry. It cannot be easy, in your position.
ReplyDeleteI have my shiny new law degree from Charlotte Law! Now where do I sign up for the judge's position?
ReplyDeleteJesus! Its really come to this. I think I'm going to spit up.
Tricia Dennis
Do admissions statistics ever get discussed at faculty meetings?
ReplyDeleteWow, truly breathtaking. LawProf, I would be interested in a post on the law professor culture regarding the people who teach at bottom-feeding schools like Charlotte Law. Are the professors at a school like that treated as colleagues by first-tier professors? Is there social stratification? Can some level of shame be brought to bear on the people who teach at schools like that?
ReplyDeleteThe ever so slight hint of desperation...
ReplyDeleteWhat do laid-off law profs do? They have no practice skills. Teach high school?
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable. How do these people sleep at night?
ReplyDeleteThis is just more proof that any notion of law and the legal education complex being a "profession," as opposed to what it really is - a collection of sleazy, money grubbing pathological individuals with moral standards lower than those of your average pre-Disneyfied era, Times Square 3-card monte scammers - has been thoroughly eviscerated.
Lawprof - you didn't read carefully. It says "you COULD qualify for at least $31,000 in scholarship..." This isn't even a firm scholarship offer. It also says that he has "some moving expense reimbursement funds," but he never actually says that the letter recipient will get the money.
ReplyDeleteYesterday I went to get my car serviced. I was assigned a new "advisor" as my old one moved on to work for Ferrari/Maserati. The new advisor (who had to be in his early 30s) started some small talk and asked what I did for a living. When I replied that I was a lawyer, he exclaimed "So am I." I asked him what he was doing working for a car dealership and he gave me a hard luck story about how he was working for a solo who was recently disbarred. When I asked him why he just didn't take over the disbarred attorney's files, he replied that he had no idea how to fix the cases, clients wouldn't pay and that the majority of the clients thought he was in cahoots with the disbarred attorney. He took the job at the dealership after finding no legal work for 5 months. I asked him if he disclosed that he was a lawyer to his new employer and he replied that his wife's father is the service manager.
ReplyDeleteI used to think these stories were made up or rare anectdotes but my interaction with this young man really hit home and close. And this young man was no idiot either as I found out he graduated from a top 30 law school. Although he was cordial and seemed content, I could tell this man was miserable and dying inside. The funny thing is, I feel the same way and I work in a position that most lawyers would kill for.
My advice to starry-eyed kids is not to go to law school. Law school kills creativity and changes you for the worse. A law degree was an albatross for me. For example, I have been married 3 times. All 3 wives thought they were marrying a "sexy" lawyer. I thought I was marrying the protypical trophy wife each time. Needless to say, I got the raw deal after each divorce. I work hard, make good money but after paying alimony to these scavenging whores, I am left with wages that barely allow me to survive. I rambled too long (I have already imbibed half a liter of Black Label while in the office on a Saturday). If one person can be saved, perhaps my miserable and tortured existence will have some meaning.
Prof. Campos, you have cojones and I tip my hat to you. I know a few law professors myself. Most are caught in their own self-aggrandized universe. Most don't care about their students and turn a blind eye to the crisis they face. At least you are putting the flashlight on the problem. Keep up the excellent work.
A.E.S.
If you come to the TTT School of Law we will throw in a free toaster.
ReplyDelete"I have already imbibed half a liter of Black Label"
ReplyDeleteJesus slow down.
at 10:26 AM:
ReplyDeletePlease put down the bottle. Look, I used to be just like you. When I put that bottle down and told myself I was not going to abuse it, I felt so much better. I am not gonna preach to you but I am gonna say that you are not alone. Life is too short to live with regrets and failure. The past is just that....the past. If you let it go, the future is so much brighter.
You do have meaning even if you don't see it. Everyone has meaning. Everyone has worth.
It may seem rough now but change is coming. Enjoy yourself, enjoy your life. Enjoy what you have.
There is hope.
10:26, If you're so successful why aren't you drinking blue label?
ReplyDelete"How much longer until some of these places start closing up shop? "
ReplyDeleteDon't you get it yet? Have you not followed the for profit schools who do the same thing to get all that federal loan money? This will NEVER EVER end until the ABA gets involved (never going to happen) or the federal government attaches conditions to student loans (Im not holding my breath. There are millions and millions of suckers out there and if history has proven anything, if you try and lie hard enough you'll get as many as you need. Its free money after all, as long as you're in school (thought process of undergrads).
10:58 blue label is $300 a bottle. it's for special occasions not Saturdays at work.
ReplyDelete"This will NEVER EVER end"
ReplyDeleteSo if a billion law schools opened up, all of them could fill seats? That's obviously not true. Please don't abuse language by saying something will "NEVER EVER" occur when logically it has to occur at some point, possibly soon.
@ 10:50AM: Thank you for your kind words. Sometimes the words of a stranger can provide sobering insight. I have put the bottle down for now and am drinking a double expresso. At some point I have to drive back hom.
ReplyDelete@10:58AM: I never claimed to be successful. I merely stated I had a job which most lawyers would kill for, which nowadays can be any job, including the night shift manager at a local go-go joint. I stopped equating success to money, cars, status and prestige years ago. Money comes and goes. So do wives, cars and houses. If you can find happiness and remain there, then in my eyes, you are a success. As for my preference for Black Label, I actually have Blue Label at home. If I bought the Blue Label to the office, I probably would have no incentive to leave the office to go home.
A.E.S.
"Although he was cordial and seemed content, I could tell this man was miserable and dying inside."
ReplyDeleteThis pretty much nails it.
I got an email last week from my law school (May, 2011 JD). I did not read it until today, a few minutes ago in fact. They are offering me placement in a graduate fellowship.
ReplyDeleteMy God, it just pains me. I may take the money. It feels dirty.
This counts as employment?
11:20,
ReplyDeleteTake the fellowship, quit after eight months and two weeks. This way, the school cannot claim you as "employed" for their USNews report.
11:20,
ReplyDeleteLet me clarify, the USNews report looks at your employment status nine months after graduation.
Take the offer but begin in March (I think) so your alma mater cannot claim you as employed for the US News rankings report.
"My God, it just pains me. I may take the money. It feels dirty."
ReplyDeleteHow much are they giving you, for how long? I say take it if you have no other choice.
"Take the offer but begin in March (I think) so your alma mater cannot claim you as employed for the US News rankings report."
ReplyDeleteLOLFOREVER at your naivete regarding the scruples of those creating the career placement statistics. If he doesn't take it they'll count him as "employed" under the assumption that if he didn't take it he must have a job.
11:28,
ReplyDeleteThere are a variety of reasons someone will not take a fellowshit job.
First, some of these positions are only part-time and minimum wage and not worth taking considering the cost of driving there.
Second, Crux may be living prohibitively far away from his alma mater to take the job.
The question of precisely when this whole thing will collapse is very interesting and important, but the question of whether it will is not. Bill Henderson quotes the economist Herbert Stein in this month's ABA Journal cover story: "If something cannot go on forever, it won't."
ReplyDeleteWhat can't go on forever is the combination of rising law school costs and the declining value of law degrees.
Just when the collapse happens will be a function of, among other things, the federal government beginning to refuse to let higher education in general and law schools in particular charge whatever they want, the true employment statistics for lawyers becoming better known, the inevitable decline in bar passage rates as schools are forced to admit more and more extremely marginal candidates to fill classes, and even the moral revulsion of legal academics who refuse to continue to participate silently in an increasingly indefensible enterprise.
As to how long it will take for all these factors and others to coalesce into a slow or sudden collapse, who knows? But the collapse is coming.
So they are resorting to the University of Phoenix way of attracting students?
ReplyDeleteLawProf - perhaps a few schools will close but for the most part as long as there are loans available there will always be huge numbers of suckers/students who will be willing to take the plunge. Have you calculated the number of schools that need to be shut down so the graduating rate matches the new available jobs per year? And even if that were to happen (it won't) the amount of money these schools will still be around where they are today if not more, which is still enough to put most graduates in serious life altering debt for the rest of their lives.
ReplyDeleteAs long as there is free federal money with no strings attached this system will always be abused and will never change. Just take a look at the for profit university industry.
Lawprof,
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, unless something drastic happens, I think it will take at least 10 years.
1) Most of the apologists will retire from their positions and will "see the light".
2) Most of the disgruntled law school graduates (I'd say Class of 2006 and on) will no longer be afraid of speaking out because their reputations is less likely to be an issue.
3) Most of the middling law schools will be on ripoffreport.com and will top the internet search engines.
4) The Congressional hearings will come.
5) One school (or a nonprofit group) is probably going to sue US News. Who knows if the lawsuit will be successful but it should wake up some people in their small office.
11:55 here - correction:
ReplyDelete*the amount of money these schools can charge will still be around what it is today if not more. Its called a captive audience.
WCL: I'd say ten years from now is a pretty good guess in regard to how long it will take for a major restructuring to really take hold. It could be much faster though. All it will take is for the federal government to put even moderate conditions on the availability of educational loans. And that could happen for any number of reasons.
ReplyDeleteLawProf, Can you please start deleting posts referring to transparency/mental illness boy? Otherwise you risk another troll war on your blog.
ReplyDeleteOK, going forward I'd appreciate it if people didn't bait that poster.
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ReplyDeleteOne thing we can do is to get the message to enough people. I have a feeling that the "law school scam" perspective is still highly marginalized.
ReplyDeleteHere's an idea that I just thought up:
Can we somehow get the list that University of Charlotte Law got? How are they able to find this list of students and email them with the above solicitations?
If we could get that list, then LawProf could prepare his own simple page long letter succinctly itemizing the reasons why you should not go to law school.
I don't see why it necessarily has to collapse. True, they can't keep raising tuition and building new law schools forever, but that doesn't mean they'll have to shut down law schools or LOWER tuition.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like the mortgage bubble, where there was a chain reaction of people defaulting on their mortgages and banks going bust. Here, since the loans are federally guaranteed, the law schools will still get paid even if everyone defaults.
I'm sure they get the list through the LSAC. I don't know if privacy laws allow people outside of schools to see the LSAT score and GPA of a person, much less their name and address or email.
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ReplyDeleteCharles,
ReplyDeleteDo you really think that once the government sees the rates of IBR and defaults that they will do nothing to stop this waste of taxpayer money?
I don't think they will ever end educational loans, but they may very well start penalizing particular programs that are not using that money efficiently.
Charles Pye - Exactamundo. Its amusing that people think otherwise. So the industry has scammed and lied and taken advantage of everyone and anyone to get those shekels but now it will collapse in ten years. As the kids say today; ROFL.
ReplyDeleteLawProf - " All it will take is for the federal government to put even moderate conditions on the availability of educational loans. And that could happen for any number of reasons."
Can you list some of the scenarios you envision? Im sincerely interested because I find it so hard to believe. They have entrenched power while students do not.
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ReplyDeleteLawProf, Sorry for my post at 12:40 delete that too. You're right it's better to avoid.
ReplyDelete"I'm sure they get the list through the LSAC. I don't know if privacy laws allow people outside of schools to see the LSAT score and GPA of a person, much less their name and address or email."
ReplyDeleteI don't understand that at all. How do Charlotte Law's administrators get to see the information, whereas someone trying to warn prospective students about the harms of law school (lack of jobs, loans, depression) is not given access?
12:31: I think IBR will become a hot political issue once it becomes evident how many recent graduates (not just law graduates of course) are employing it. The OWS movement isn't going to go away: it will, IMO, change and develop into a significant form of generational activism, as more and more people born in the 1980s and 1990s become politically conscious. Sometimes something as simple as a senator's college best friend's kid having $300K in educational debt and no job can end up playing a triggering role in an issue suddenly becoming prominent in the media and the political process.
ReplyDeleteOf course it's possible that something like the status quo in legal education may be able to hang on for a long time. Or things could change much more quickly. But I don't think that ten years from now we'll have $70,000 annual tuition and 35% employment rates for new lawyers, which is where the trend lines are currently heading.
You don't need GPA and LSAT to send a mass e-mail, so there go the privacy concerns.
ReplyDeleteI think that if we could get the list that Charlotte Law got and send a well written and short email summarizing the harms of law school then that would be a great thing.
The trend line won't continue. They seldom ever do. The trend lines in the 1980s predicted that astronomical numbers of people in the US would contract HIV by this century. Interventions disrupted the trend lines.
ReplyDeleteHow about something like this
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Dear Law School Applicant,
I am writing to succinctly warn you of the risks of law school, summarized below:
(A) Your school's job placement numbers are likely fraudulent, and overstated by a factor of two. Your school is counting those in part-time and non-legal work as employed. In addition it is calculating average salary statistics based on the highest earning graduates, whose salaries do not represent the salaries of the entire class. Please pay special attention to the "percent of students reporting a salary" figure as that is a good proxy for the true employment rate.
(B) As a result of (A), it is highly unlikely that you will earn a salary commensurate with your law school debt. While federal programs will allow you to defer payment, the balance will show up on your credit report, causing you to have a low "debt-to-income" ratio, which is the key ratio that car loan, mortgage and credit card lenders look at before extending you credit.
(C) Likely as a result of (A), (B) and other pernicious aspects of law school, there is a very good chance that the experience will cause you to become mentally ill. The rate of depression in law school applicants is only about 4%, but it climbs to near 40% by 3L, and continues at a high rate of approximately 20% after graduation. Thus not only will you be harmed financially, but law school could very well sap even your capacity for joy and happiness.
Please carefully consider these three points before making the decision to attend law school.
Could law schools sue you for tortious interference if you sent all law school applicants an email like that?
ReplyDelete"Basically, someone who took the LSAT last month in order to dip a toe in the maybe I should go to law school waters is being offered two thousand dollars American, cash on the barrel as they say in Contracts, to pack up the Subaru and move to Charlotte this week, in order to start law school the week after that."
ReplyDeleteJesus! The timing of it all went right over my head until I read this paragraph.
My wife I are both lawyers. We live on the fringes of the upper class and what we have seen is shocking. The real truth is that BIRTH IS DESTINY. The wealthy people we know live in a different world than the rest of us. These people glide from great job to great job even though many are unqualified and quite a few are just plain stupid.
ReplyDeleteWe are horrified to realize that the USA has become totally stratified by social class. If you are not born to the upper class please realize that you are unlikely to break into the upper class. Law school is a trap designed to hobble smart people from the middle and lower classes. Recognize the trap and avoid it.
Law school is a trap designed to hobble smart people from the middle and lower classes.
ReplyDeleteexcellent line
That's right smart people from the middle and lower classes. Stay put. It will work out better for you in the long run.
ReplyDeleteHere's a simple workable solution. Have the Educational Testing Service, ETS, provide the names and addresses of everyone who takes thw LSAT and then send each LSAT taker a detailed letter setting out the economic situation and job prospects of recent law school graduates. Perhaps when greater transperancy for these matters is acheived they could also be directed to a website which would contain comprehensive explicit information for each law school. In effect transperancy on steroids. William Ockham
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. so who here is going to get the email list?
ReplyDelete2:38: Two years ago I would have considered what you were saying to be a serious exaggeration. That's because I lived in a privileged little academic bubble.
ReplyDeleteToday it seems to me that you are simply describing what this country has become.
That seems unduly conspiratorial; I don't think law schools were expressly designed to provide a ranking apparatus to filter the "best" talent at the expense of the majority of paying students, or to provide a system where smart people are economically and emotionally crippled so as to drive down their market price; I think it just worked out that way.
ReplyDeleteIf it were designed as such by an evil cabal of masterminds, they might deserve their positions. Because if they did, they're *really* clever.
1:10--I don't think so. Doesn't tortious interference generally require a contractual relationship?
Am I the only person who thinks a lot of the personal stories posted in the comments here are complete fiction?
ReplyDeleteI think Mikoyan is right. Is law school a trap that does hobble plenty of bright middle class kids? Definitely.
ReplyDeleteWas it designed to do that? No. In fact, professors would prefer that law school produce the advertised results that lured the kids in, because if they all were really going off to practice in Big Law and become Leaders of Society, then they'd have gobs of money to throw back at their school, some of which would end up lining professor pockets as they take addition year long vacations to study whatever it is professors study on year long paid vacations, their navals, I guess.
not your first idiotic thought, I'd wager.
ReplyDeletebl1y I assumed the designed comment was facetious
ReplyDelete@3:05-- Do you mean on this particular thread?
ReplyDeleteand here it comes - the board psycho talking to itself
ReplyDeleteAlong with the vegetable steamer comes an embriodered (with the school logo) oven mitt.
ReplyDelete... and matching tote bag and t-shirt and bumper sticker and refrigerator magnet.
Ahhhh, WTF, it's all hippie woodstock usury baby boomer generation sympathy for the devil:
"Hu ha Hoo! Hu Ha Hoo!"
And Mick is part of the one percent, and filthy rich.
What about the stories makes you suspect they are fictional?
ReplyDelete3:05 - agreed. and then it always has one or two follow ups that completely agree to the story or quote it.
ReplyDelete....and the follow ups are within a minute or two.
ReplyDeleteI have wondered about that, but assumed it was because people are following the site closely.
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ReplyDeleteUhh...what?
ReplyDeleteThe classic structure of denial works like this:
ReplyDelete(1) Your story isn't true.
(2) Even if your story is true what happened to you was your fault.
(3) Even if your story is true and what happened to you wasn't your fault, your story isn't representative to a degree that would require anyone to change anything.
Each of these reactions creates a secondary form of victimization, first by denying the existence of the victimization, then by interpreting away its moral significance, and finally by denying responsibility on the part of those who played an active or passive role in the victimization.
No. I do not think any of these stories are fictional. As you believe that they are fictional, why don't you write to the Charlotte Law School and ask if they sent out an email like this? There are plenty of students who can confirm getting similar emails.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't you believe the reality in front of you?
Or you could post on Top Law Schools and ask people to comment about the offers they have gotten from schools. These sorts of schools promote themselves.
A similar --but not as bad --example of marketing - last year the Illustrious University of Alabama Law School gave people itune gift cards if they applied. Loads of people sent in an application just to get a couple of songs.
Nothing in this thread strikes me as likely fictional. On some of the other threads... But that would not be peculiar to this blog. That is one of the risks of the blogosphere.
ReplyDeleteI think the "people" accusing the poster of writing a fake story are the same person who keeps accusing others of being xyz boy/guy.
ReplyDeleteHe/she is caught up in a desire to see patterns and things that are beyond their senses. That is a textbook symptom of schizophrenia. Not diagnosing anyone, but if said person is schizo I would appreciate it if they could save their "gift" for other venues because we have better things to do with our time than to get involved in his/her issues.
As someone else said recently, "Lie to Me."
ReplyDeleteWhat are we implying is fake? Not the emails, I presume--or someone did enough research on yesterday's to know how Isabella "Issa" DiSciullo signs her names in her messages.
ReplyDeleteThe "lawyer at a car dealership" story could I imagine be fictional, although I don't know why we should assume it to be so. The commenter has very little to gain (basically, some attention). It's not enough for epistemological certainty, I suppose, nor for certainty beyond a reasonable doubt, but this is neither a mathematical proof nor a criminal trial court.
I just got back from a social event where I literally met a young billionaire. Total loser. Fat, not good looking, bad haircut, laughable plastic surgery. I literally felt superior to him.
ReplyDeleteJust goes to show you money can't buy you everything in life.
P.S. He inherited his position and money. He's technically not a billionaire yet but his family has billions.
ReplyDeleteAddition: not that knowing how someone signs an email means the content in a reproduction has been verified, but whatever. I still don't see any benefit in it.
ReplyDelete"I still don't see any benefit in it."
ReplyDeleteBe thankful for your sanity.
Its not the Charlotte Law story people are questioning....I think it was the husband and wife one followed by the quick supportive comment within minutes of each other. Happens too often...and other people noticed it too.
ReplyDeleteAnd its not like anyone disagrees with the moral of the stories (as LawProf suggests)...its just so obvious. And if they are made up the guy doing it is just plain strange.
No 5:24, the strange person is the one who goes on an anonymous forum with the purpose of figuring out which completely anonymous comments are real and which are fake. That's the strange person. Very strange, distracting and annoying.
ReplyDeleteNo, it is not strange at all. It is a regular feature of the Internet, and a good thing too. In a system where you cannot judge credibility in nomal ways, it is only natural that people are on heightened security and notice when things seem off.
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ReplyDeleteWhy is it annoying? It makes readers think about what people are saying in different ways.
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ReplyDelete@5:37 I wasn't the one who said the stories are fictional. I said I did not think they were fictional. And what I said is demonstrably true, it is not uncommon on the Internet for people to question the veracity of stories that appear. Why does that call for name-calling?
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ReplyDeleteDear ___,
ReplyDeleteI'm Date Rapist, from the Office of Enticement at Give Us Money School of Faux. I noticed that you are able to borrow money from some source or other and are therefore eligible to Give Us Money.
Additionally, because you are an extra-special snowflake, you could qualify to give us slightly less money than our other suckers-- I mean, snowflakes--providing you start giving us money right away.
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ReplyDeleteCould we all just agree that an anonymous comment poster on a blog is not in the catagory of things that one can hate? William Ockham
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ReplyDeleteAnyone interested in a moderated forum?
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ReplyDeleteHow about a rule that anyone obviously seeking to start fights with other commenters gets their post deleted?
ReplyDeleteI never understood the desire to insult and harass others on the internet. Even if you're successful at it, and you cause someone else to become upset, how does it help your life?
ReplyDeleteMisery loves company.
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ReplyDeleteThe blog administrator has done yeoman's duty removing comments today. Could he also removee 4:07.
ReplyDelete1. Crux are you taking the fellowship
ReplyDelete2. Guy who met a billionaire come back and tell us more.
3. Tricia and AES post more.
4. Let's figure out how to get the email list.
5. Psycho who has decided it's his or her job to police the board for transparency boy and made up comments, I heard he's on xoxohth. They also make up comments there.
I found out that the University of Alabama is offering $20 itunes cards, plus fee waivers to applicants. Even though people have to pay $16 for the LSAC report, they come out $4 ahead. So this is a great way to boost applicants, even though most of those applicants have absolutely no intention of even visiting Alabama, much less going to school there. It is quite a joke.
ReplyDeleteWhen does it become criminal? Isn't offering someone a bribe to apply to your school to boost your applicant numbers to milk the student loan program fraud? If a doctor offered patients free Itune cards to get unnecessary treatments wouldn't that be Medicare fraud?
ReplyDelete"When does it become criminal? Isn't offering someone a bribe to apply to your school to boost your applicant numbers to milk the student loan program fraud? If a doctor offered patients free Itune cards to get unnecessary treatments wouldn't that be Medicare fraud?"
ReplyDeleteInteresting analogy.
I also compare the law school student loan scam to Solyndra. At the end of the day the taxpayers are getting ripped off by way of these stunts.
The federal anti-kickback law, were it applicable, would have had something to say -- long ago -- when the wholesale waiver of application fees began.
ReplyDeleteThe federal anti-kickback law, were it applicable, would have had something to say -- long ago -- when the wholesale waiver of application fees began.
ReplyDeleteThis has been going on for a long time. Reasonably good schools (top 30, say) emailed me to offer to waive my fee after I got a decent (but sub-170) LSAT score. That was almost 10 yrs ago.
ReplyDeleteColleges, even elite schools, have doing this for even longer for students they wanted.
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