Jesus... can you believe the employment numbers on that list of defendants? I know that this is nothing we didn't already know, but seeing that list of lower ranked schools all reporting 90% or more employment just rams home what a farce the legal academy has become.
Yeah, but it's not really fraud when the people you're lying to are students, plus, people who work at law schools deserve that money for being such good people
I am hoping my t1 gets sued. This year they increases their class size by more than 10%, hired more useless stuff, and then paid an alum to come in and give 1ls a speech on how job market is recovering and by the time they will be graduating things will back to normal. Too bad normal means that 1/4 of them still won't be lawyers.
I wonder why more established plaintiff's firms aren't getting in on this. Once we see the big consumer class action firms get involved we'll see some deans and administrators start to sweat.
Earth to DOJ......
madstudent: I feel conflicted about whether I want my T1 sued. I want justice and change, but I don't also worry about the nominal value of my degree being weakened even further if it's on the receiving end of one of these suits.
Law Prof you should do a post on how Columbia takes in insane amount of transfers, which I presume they do in part because it doesn't affect their LSAT? GPA numbers. Prospectives need to know how far up the totem pole this despicable behavior goes.
They named my alma mater. Get em.
An excellent start.
YEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!I'm only disappointed that my school isn't on there. I would have done free work.THAT'S HOW DO YOU DO SOMETHING THAT MATTERS, FOLKS.
Aniszka is the hero lawyer that you read about in to kill a mockingbird.
"Earth to DOJ......"Exactly!This is a crime against the taxpayers more than it is a crime agaist the student. With IBR students don't lose that much as a result of the scam, but the taxpayers will have to eat the losses. I know the student loan burden is a trivial $1 trillion relative to the other multi trillion per year entitlements, but stealing just $100 from the federal government is a serious and jailable offense and the DOJ should investigate and prosecute the Deans for intentionally lying to get federal student loan money that should have been spent on another program.
" I don't also worry about the nominal value of my degree being weakened even further if it's on the receiving end of one of these suits."You are so deluded.
@10:23. Maybe I am deluded. But, I think I'm more frightened of things becoming even worse for me. I'm also not expecting to receive a windfall from a lawsuit.The "don't" in the quoted sentence was a typo, fyi.
Believe me, the reputation of your law school has nothing to do with your future at this point.
EricEsq: That is an understandable concern, however, after seeing how the law school wastes my tuition money I really could give a fuck less about what happens to the law school. I wish this place would get shut down or burn. The school has bloated administration. Useless people work here, Career Services comes to mind first. Do we really need 5 clowns to do a job that could be done by 2 people? They promised small class size but now I am a 2L and all of my classes have between 75-90 people. So fucking much for 10:1 student/faculty ratio. On the side note, in mid summer they had 2010 employment data posted on their website, by August the numbers were reverted to 2009, by September those numbers were changed to 2008. What is that shit? I guess 2008 numbers are the most reflective of what class of 2015 should expect.
madstudent you really should contact Kurzon Strauss or ATL. That is seriously fucked up.@ Dan - Columbia engages in the exact same manipulations as the schools named in this suit just on a smaller scale. I know for a fact they had their very own "hire our own recent graduates" program. Transfers compete with home-grown students for valuable jobs at EIP. They also take an absurd amount of LLMs who pay full freight.
@madstudent, what school? We will investigate this.
What are the 15 schools? My browser won't open the link properly.
@LST: I attempted to send you an email via your website, I do not know if it was successful. If you did not receive the email, please post your email on here and I will respond with the school's name. Also I have some emails from the school that might be of interest.
Please sue Ohio State next, thank you.
@madstudent, for some reason we did not receive it. Email lawschooltransparency at gmail dot com
I did not see my own school on that list. But I would not have been surprised if I did. As of today, the school's website is claiming 92% job placement for the 2010 class.It simply strains belief.
Geeze, there's like 50 more that should be sued with this group. Florida alone has like eight. And I hope they enter the D.C. market eventually.
Great news! Law schools lie. We all know it. Why shouldn't they be held responsible? It is a multi-billion dollar industry based on lies.
@madstudent and LST: Try using the Wayback Machine to see if you can pull up the site before and after the change.
This story made its way into "Inside Higher Ed's" daily newsletter:http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/10/06/plans_announced_to_sue_15_law_schools_over_placement_data
I just looked at the websites of some of the law schools that are being sued,and I saw this on Hofstra's page "This figure includes all employment positions at nine months, including some temporary positions, part-time positions, self-employment, positions that do not require a J.D. and positions funded by Hofstra Law School." In other words Hofstra employees its own students to get its employment figures up! It also says that 9% of its 2010 class have "academic" jobs. How much of this is "positions funded by Hofstra Law School" ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BL1Y: I tried to find cached page but without luck. I think I might have misspoke because the school is currently posting 2008 data for their admissions website while posting 2010 data on their student website.
Where you looking with Google cache, or the Wayback Machine?
@BL1Y, I love the Wayback Machine. Truly a great tool. I wish we had the resources to study every law school's practices over time. Much of it is there.
BL1Y: I tried using both. In addition I tried using http://www.archive-it.org/public/all_collections.html which has the most comprehensive archive and my school was on the list. However, the employment data page was not indexed. Either crawler did not index or the page has code in it that prevents it from being indexed.
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