tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post8972368060882395544..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: How many people are getting real legal jobs?LawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11168474539863606742013-02-21T00:19:17.836-08:002013-02-21T00:19:17.836-08:00Awesome review. I got to your blog from yahoo whil...Awesome review. I got to your blog from yahoo while i was looking for job search. I will turn over your site to other people and I am sure they will think the same about your article on this site.DC Attorney Jobshttp://www.bcgsearch.com/legalmarketsinfo.php?id=31noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-1588559121809492432012-11-11T17:22:43.467-08:002012-11-11T17:22:43.467-08:00Thanks! This post contains very significant ideas ...Thanks! This post contains very significant ideas and facts that every reader should be followed. Great idea indeed <a href="http://www.powerslawgroup.com/" rel="nofollow">Attorney Macon</a><br /><br />James32http://www.powerslawgroup.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43718682632066465822012-11-09T05:24:22.051-08:002012-11-09T05:24:22.051-08:00With only a few colours to choose from many simply...With only a few colours to choose from many simply ... 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I am a May 2011 graduate from a T-1 and the few people that did land full-time attorney or associate positions that require a J.D. and bar admission have left those positions for non-legal/semi-legal positions. Many of them could not handle the hours. I think law schools should submit statistics one year after graduation that indicate what you suggest, full-time attorney/associate position that requires J.D./bar admission. I think the percentage would be less than 25. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20714644351048451422012-09-14T08:02:29.494-07:002012-09-14T08:02:29.494-07:00I am class of 2014, at Tier 3-4, and I recently go...I am class of 2014, at Tier 3-4, and I recently got a 2013 SA position offer from a major congressional agency in D.C. I realize, however, that this probably was the result of a whole... lot... of... luck... I also literally applied to every single job I could find, which was entirely too stressful given that I am in school full-time. <br /><br />Yet, many friends are struggling. I have some friends with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and no clue what they're going to do upon graduation. <br /><br />The whole thing is sort of disgusting... <br /><br />I am grateful that a professor pointed me to this blog last year, and if ever I hear of someone considering lawschool I make sure they thoroughly look into all the questionable things going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21974366882090339682012-09-14T04:15:28.803-07:002012-09-14T04:15:28.803-07:00Columbia has significantly better job stats than N...Columbia has significantly better job stats than NYU or Chicago. That being said, maybe 20% or even 30% of the class at Columbia seems not to have a good legal job - federal clerkship or larger law firm. Maybe there are a few good government or in house jobs or similar jobs (hard to tell) in that 30%, but a big number in there is also law school funded jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61885199971406030982012-09-13T23:29:56.840-07:002012-09-13T23:29:56.840-07:004:46, you are a vile and disgusting human being. W...4:46, you are a vile and disgusting human being. Worse even, you're perfectly willing to accept that you are vile and disgusting. Probably because you know no other way to get by.<br /><br />Meanwhile others get by and succeed just fine within the bounds of decency and fair play. And they actually earn their wealth, without stealing from naive young people and taxpayers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21813289016693674792012-09-13T23:23:09.453-07:002012-09-13T23:23:09.453-07:00Where was the scam? Aside from in the judge's ...Where was the scam? Aside from in the judge's reasoning here? I suppose in California, where matters of fact are proceeding to discovery and not being improperly dismissed in pretrial motions. I'd still love to see one of you assholes openly endorse the "reasoning" in any these dismissals.<br /><br />But please, keep thinking that this will keep you safe in your position. They can't save you from increasing transparency. Especially as your hoard of victims continues to grow.<br /><br />I still love those quotation marks, though. They make your scam seem so cute (it's just a "scam"!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36501349033281545822012-09-13T22:59:57.652-07:002012-09-13T22:59:57.652-07:00Doc Review --> Quality Control --> Team Lead...Doc Review --> Quality Control --> Team Lead --> Project Manager --> Staff Attorney, Ediscovery Consultant, etc.<br /><br />This kind of thing happens frequently. Hence my reference to moving up IN document review. I understand that virtually no one makes the jump from doc review to traditional firm attorney, but traditional attorney work sucks anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3839500124645429192012-09-13T18:30:52.838-07:002012-09-13T18:30:52.838-07:0010:01 AM/OP
Maybe email lawprof and he can do a c...10:01 AM/OP<br /><br />Maybe email lawprof and he can do a column about your situation. If not, you need to post in the comments of the most recent blog post for the commentors to see it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-92033991952647350132012-09-13T16:52:43.576-07:002012-09-13T16:52:43.576-07:00Our regional fed agency office [SEC] has hired six...Our regional fed agency office [SEC] has hired six attorneys in the last year, all from BigLaw. They had far and away the best resumes we've seen presumably due to the labor market woes. SEC isn't tied to the GS scale but still doesn't come close to BigLaw salaries. New hires from BigLaw are roughly at $150k base salary. But fed govt does offer some advantages to offset the relative drop in salary. Our office will likely add 3 more attorneys in FY2013, but one is to replace someone who is actually retiring...we never thought he'd leave but he's 70 so it can happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19983468155845417512012-09-13T16:46:39.112-07:002012-09-13T16:46:39.112-07:00Yes, what about decency and fair play...and puppy ...Yes, what about decency and fair play...and puppy dogs and rainbows and apple pie and summer breezes and world peace.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73513017539490736682012-09-13T16:43:21.880-07:002012-09-13T16:43:21.880-07:00Yet another legal opinion and another suit tossed!...Yet another legal opinion and another suit tossed!<br /><br />So tell us again, where was the "scam"?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76584760174751994352012-09-13T16:40:14.191-07:002012-09-13T16:40:14.191-07:0010:01 AM/OP,
I highly suggest posting this questi...10:01 AM/OP,<br /><br />I highly suggest posting this question in the comment section of this blog's most recent post. You will get honest answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65798534617856667702012-09-13T13:00:36.453-07:002012-09-13T13:00:36.453-07:00I graduated in 2011. After over a year of stickin...I graduated in 2011. After over a year of sticking it out in post bar clerkships in gov, I see that several people in my class have moved into paid local gov positions. <br /><br />Anyone else notice this 1 year+ after graduation trend?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65715058709775171452012-09-13T10:47:02.293-07:002012-09-13T10:47:02.293-07:00"Have you at least tried working your way up ..."Have you at least tried working your way up in document review?"<br /><br />And how does that happen? Have u ever been involved in that shit? Do you realize what goes on? How that is a no track career? The percentage of doc reviewers moving onto perm work in a firm is smaller than the amount of TTT law grads getting big law jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-14437689126868184282012-09-13T10:03:15.364-07:002012-09-13T10:03:15.364-07:00Also, I've been out of college for three years...Also, I've been out of college for three years, and I've worked in the legal field for 4 years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38787386925900054242012-09-13T10:01:34.909-07:002012-09-13T10:01:34.909-07:00Hi, I'm the OP on that TLS post, and I'd l...Hi, I'm the OP on that TLS post, and I'd like to know what you personally think I should do as opposed to NYU sticker. Cardozo full tuition? Not go to law school? Open to suggestions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3386320165899971212012-09-13T06:45:52.562-07:002012-09-13T06:45:52.562-07:00My browser still won't let me reply to comment...My browser still won't let me reply to comments, only can comment at the end of the thread.<br /><br />4:18 AM--I'm old enough not to be surprised at this, but young enough to be disappointed. No fiduciary duty to students, caveat emptor, it's your fault you took this obviously bogus information seriously. Etc etc. Apparently this scam doesn't rise to some impossible legal standard necessary to prevail in court. But what about decency and fair play and the professionalism that the law schools endlessly preach about? BamBamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-85977366592011233242012-09-13T05:33:53.760-07:002012-09-13T05:33:53.760-07:00Those firms want certain types of people, which of...Those firms want certain <i>types</i> of people, which often are not the types (competent, capable) that get federal district clerkships.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20239661535284516252012-09-13T04:44:16.177-07:002012-09-13T04:44:16.177-07:00What did you expect from Cook County?
I'm baf...What did you expect from Cook County?<br /><br />I'm baffled at the idea that consumers have to make an independent investigation of employment statistics for DePaul Law graduates and submit a detailed PhD-level spreadsheet with the complaint. Apparently, that's the new standard.<br /><br />No statement predicting odds of employment? Holy flirking schnitt, as someone who got propaganda from DePaul, that's an egregiously-stupid opinion. I mean rock-bottom dumb, and to have it being made by a judge on a motion to fucking dismiss is an indictment of how shitty the trial courts of this country are, how far off base they can be if they just choose not to let someone win. Because let's face it, that's exactly what's gone on here.Docnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64385587475800346682012-09-13T04:18:30.458-07:002012-09-13T04:18:30.458-07:00 (September 12, 2012, 10:44 PM ET) -- An Illinois ... (September 12, 2012, 10:44 PM ET) -- An Illinois state judge on Tuesday threw out a putative class action against DePaul University College of Law accusing the school of using misleading graduate employment data to fraudulently lure prospective students.<br /><br />Judge Neil H. Cohen said in an order that the plaintiffs failed to show why they relied on the school’s statistics without conducting their own independent research using publicly available information and that they failed to show that the data was inaccurate.<br /><br />The plaintiffs, graduates of the law school, claimed the data was presented to them as prospective students in such a way that led them to believe they would land permanent, full-time and well-paying jobs for which a law degree was required upon graduation.<br /><br />“Plaintiffs have failed to identify any statement made by DePaul which predicted [the] plaintiffs’ odds of obtaining employment as a full-time lawyer,” he said.<br /><br />The data actually included jobs that required no law degree and included part-time, temporary, internship, research assistant or other “make work” positions, including some provided by the university itself, according to the order.<br /><br />The plaintiffs said the school’s job statistics did not include data on how many graduates were placed in jobs requiring a law degree, did not mention that the data came only from voluntarily submitted survey responses, that only a small percentage of graduates responded to the survey and that the data had not been audited or otherwise verified.<br /><br />They also claimed that DePaul knew its prospective students would rely on that employment data in deciding whether to attend the school.<br /><br />For their fraudulent concealment claim, the plaintiffs failed to cite any authority supporting the existence of a special or confidential relationship between a prospective or current student and an educational institution that would induce any fiduciary duty, the judge said.<br /><br />Judge Cohen also rejected their argument that they should have been able to rely on DePaul’s employment information without doing any independent research on their own because DePaul is a law school and therefore should be expected to present reliable information. He said they cited no authority allowing them to “close their eyes” to publicly available information.<br /><br />Additionally, the judge noted that the job statistics included a salary range for the graduates that responded, which went as low as $20,000 a year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32081863509260020322012-09-13T01:23:02.001-07:002012-09-13T01:23:02.001-07:00And how many fresh grads did your department hire ...And how many fresh grads did your department hire this year? How many people applied for each position?Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49522198144675579032012-09-12T20:18:32.627-07:002012-09-12T20:18:32.627-07:00Run Forest Run.Run Forest Run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com