tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post8615412762359936905..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: RecessionLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76244807500658598052013-02-08T01:30:03.510-08:002013-02-08T01:30:03.510-08:00I want to be a lawyer but my reading speed is not ...I want to be a lawyer but my reading speed is not exceptional. I want to know if lawyers read rather fast compared to the rest of us, and if reading speed is taught during law school or during certain undergraduate programs. Please, if possible, cite sources<br /><br /><a href="http://phlebotomytrainingpro.net/hawaii/" rel="nofollow">phlebotomy training hawaii</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106007750484567313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55982701258356006792012-12-26T22:26:13.461-08:002012-12-26T22:26:13.461-08:0012 month cash loans with no fees monetary disaster...12 month cash loans with no fees monetary disaster and you have no way to position of them, and then cash advance are ideal fiscal solution accessible <a href="http://www.12monthloanssonline.co.uk/12-month-cash-loans.html" rel="nofollow">12 month cash loans</a> all places of UK with hassle free. http://www.12monthloanssonline.co.uk/12-month-cash-loans.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13387208187720669891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43384509382339964212012-12-10T18:00:23.500-08:002012-12-10T18:00:23.500-08:00(from the Columbus, Ohio bar journal article linke...(from the Columbus, Ohio bar journal article linked by FatMan above);<br /><br />"Further, while their students suffer <br />with high debt, annual tuition increases <br />and significant un(der)employment, <br />and while many practitioners struggle <br />to maintain their income, and while <br />state judges (including the Justices of <br />the Ohio Supreme Court) haven’t had <br />a pay increase for five years, and while <br />local governments have had their state <br />funding cut in half, and while public <br />officials and state employees (many at <br />the executive level) have had frozen <br />salaries and have had mandatory “cost <br />savings days” without pay, the records <br />provided by Ohio’s public law schools <br />(none of the privates provided this <br />salary information) show that the law <br />faculty at Ohio’s public law schools – <br />who are also state workers – got regular <br />salary increases through it all. Through <br />the worst days of the Great Recession, <br />their salaries continued to increase. "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6155699293315999302012-12-10T14:24:25.965-08:002012-12-10T14:24:25.965-08:00"This will not end well."
It has alread..."This will not end well."<br /><br />It has already ended.<br /><br />We are better off giving up on the US (as it has long since given up on us, as anything other than marks to exploit) and seek our future in Asia - if they will have us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63016619491413789292012-12-10T13:06:52.532-08:002012-12-10T13:06:52.532-08:00Nando uses the same phrases over and over. it gets...Nando uses the same phrases over and over. it gets annoying. Campos carries the torch now. Nando is an afterthought, but an appreciated one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-58287506516776618762012-12-10T13:00:49.646-08:002012-12-10T13:00:49.646-08:00of course they did. that's why they cash out a...of course they did. that's why they cash out as much now before the LS complex implodes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77970561461101061692012-12-10T11:45:18.472-08:002012-12-10T11:45:18.472-08:00Jason Dolin, an adjunct at Capital University (Col...Jason Dolin, an adjunct at Capital University (Columbus, OH), has gathered information on Ohio Public Law Schools by a FOIA request. He has published the results of his inquiry:<br /><br />http://www.cbalaw.org/_files/publications/lawyers-quarterly/Law%20Schools%20-%20The%20Real%20Employment%20Numbers%20for%20the%20Class%20of%202011.pdf<br /><br />The key permanent full time JD required ratio for Ohio State is 64.3%. The lowest in his sample is Cleveland State with 51.6%.<br /><br />YMMVFat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554029467445000453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43794723510553345632012-12-10T09:14:10.910-08:002012-12-10T09:14:10.910-08:00The ABA should require the following to be above t...The ABA should require the following to be above the doors of every law school:<br /><br />"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate."Fat Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09554029467445000453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5884894006415763342012-12-10T08:53:43.635-08:002012-12-10T08:53:43.635-08:00Excellent analysis, DJM. Very convincing. What I...Excellent analysis, DJM. Very convincing. What I don't understand is why law schools, NALP, and the ABA have been working very hard to obscure these facts.<br /><br />Oh, yes, the obvious reason is to continue to ensure that they receive the funds from those individuals entering the legal market. But surely they had to see that at some point it would become painfully clear that people weren't getting jobs. And did they think those people would just disappear and be swept under the rug? <br /><br />Whatever profit they have gained over the years (admittedly, many years) is going to be erased as more and more unhappy grads continue to accumulate. So I guess I am surprised by their short-sightedness. Having so many grads unhappy, unemployed and in massive debt cannot be good for the profession. They didn't anticipate this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-88096487324787462702012-12-10T08:50:31.545-08:002012-12-10T08:50:31.545-08:00Or if not the Maureens, maybe at least the Notiona...Or if not the Maureens, maybe at least the Notional Gourd!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-87243243869142685062012-12-09T21:38:43.032-08:002012-12-09T21:38:43.032-08:00@6:07
Defensive? I like that.@6:07<br /><br />Defensive? I like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74217596470086634622012-12-09T20:13:52.439-08:002012-12-09T20:13:52.439-08:00Same-store sales.
Does anyone ever compare apples...Same-store sales.<br /><br />Does anyone ever compare apples to apples and try to figure out what the employment rate was at e.g., the law schools that existed in 2000 and what it is at those particular schools?<br /><br />A lot of crappy law schools have been established since then, and some of them have huge classes.<br /><br />It may be that Ohio State is as good a value now as it was in 2000, but that, e.g., Charlotte, Cooley, St. Thomas, etc. are driving the overall numbers down. Or it may be that Ohio State is a much worse value. But we'll never know unless somebody is willing to take the time to actually drill down on the numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79445432968414439142012-12-09T19:55:52.011-08:002012-12-09T19:55:52.011-08:00Painter, I'm sure there is some kind of defens...Painter, I'm sure there is some kind of defense to whatever slander or libel or whatever it is you're claiming, the defense being that you have republished the material yourself over and over and over and over and over and over.<br /><br />In fact you seem to be the only person spreading around that (funny) story about your grandfather and the toilets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78718779863136305722012-12-09T18:30:34.974-08:002012-12-09T18:30:34.974-08:00@3:42. Interesting point. For me, it was never a...@3:42. Interesting point. For me, it was never about the actual substantive part of working as an attorney. Rather, it's the incessant feeling of losing your job. Did you smile and say good morning to the head partner? Did you defend yourself a little too much when the dumbass partner questioned your work product? As they say, shit rolls downhill. The lowly "help" always loses even when the firm are complete idiots. I'm sick of working for someone else. Being solo has it's own set of problems, but one of them is not whether you will be employed tomorrow. You might not make any money, but you will nevertheless be employed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39495203891826248972012-12-09T18:17:38.371-08:002012-12-09T18:17:38.371-08:00One thing that should be entirely clear by now is ...One thing that should be entirely clear by now is the John Kock JD Painter is a liar. If he had any dignity and self respect, he would have left this blog with his tail between his legs long ago. Please leave Painter. Go hang with Cryn. Maybe get some action. Big Fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76402799097462958412012-12-09T18:07:22.311-08:002012-12-09T18:07:22.311-08:00Yes, and guys bitching about how mean and unfair t...Yes, and guys bitching about how mean and unfair their "beautiful trophy wives" turned out to be are just oozing with self awareness. Yawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-4579333999197457582012-12-09T18:05:17.313-08:002012-12-09T18:05:17.313-08:00Okaaaay, if you insist on separating the "hou...Okaaaay, if you insist on separating the "hours, grind, commute, pressure, sitting" from "the work," then I guess not everyone hates "the work." Those things are inseperable from the work in my view. But even aside from those things, many aspects of many areas of legal practice consist of repetitive drafting of very similar documents, over and over and over again, with very little to relieve the monotony. So yes, many lawyers I know also hate "the work" in that sense. But if you want to keep clinging to the fantasy that your life will be amazing if you can just get and hold onto a legal job, I guess I can't stop you. I could name off 7 people just off the top of my head who have left legal practice because they found something better to do, which things included: getting married and moving to another country, staying home with kids, early retirement, moving into another line of work, and writing a book. Yes, this is anecdotal and maybe I only know people who want to quit their jobs, but all of these left an existing, stable legal job to do something else. I don't see what the point of pretending this doesn't exist is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38266579000489901752012-12-09T16:37:31.197-08:002012-12-09T16:37:31.197-08:00The NYPD would probably call in the Marines. Thous...The NYPD would probably call in the Marines. Thousands of em.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51743214969202592532012-12-09T16:05:07.808-08:002012-12-09T16:05:07.808-08:00If he uses part of his government salary to make m...If he uses part of his government salary to make monthly PAYMENTS on the debt (which - correct me if I'm mistaken - is one of the conditions for loan forgiveness), the Federales will leave his parents' SS check alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-1326538445985700452012-12-09T15:49:03.756-08:002012-12-09T15:49:03.756-08:00Hey, NYPD, um, there's this guy on the interne...Hey, NYPD, um, there's this guy on the internet that is bothering me....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19287036462149124412012-12-09T15:48:28.893-08:002012-12-09T15:48:28.893-08:00I object. Student Greenacre is a maggot and a disg...I object. Student Greenacre is a maggot and a disgusting crawling, horrible inhumane reptile because his parents paid for his tuition.<br /><br />Student Blackacre borrowed the money and is laughing like hell now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-14021342606203130512012-12-09T15:44:01.254-08:002012-12-09T15:44:01.254-08:00Don't capitalize "all" if what you a...Don't capitalize "all" if what you are attempting to stress as a point is inaccurate. One mustn't forget about those pesky private student loans debt that so many of us have (especially that bar exam period loan) <br />that will NOT be forgiven. I can't forget about my 35k.<br />I apologize for the typos, my phone is not being cooperative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-25831535243987304962012-12-09T15:42:46.036-08:002012-12-09T15:42:46.036-08:00I honestly do not know any lawyers who hate the wo...I honestly do not know any lawyers who hate the work. Some people hate the hours, the grind, the commute, the pressure of losing the job or the client, sitting for so many hours a day, etc. <br /><br />Most people who are leaving the law are not leaving because they hate the work. Most people are leaving because they cannot get the work. <br /><br />Women and male primary caregivers cannot get lawyer work that takes a reasonable amount of time and leaves some time for family. If you take time off, try and get back in. <br /><br />If there were ample jobs, lawyers would mostly be working in the profession, not leaving it. There would be some form of part-time (maybe after one finishes a case or a deal and works a lot of hours). None of this occurs because the oversupply of lawyers.<br /><br />The oversupply of lawyers ends most lawyers' careers prematurely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3939886063629616222012-12-09T15:42:43.801-08:002012-12-09T15:42:43.801-08:00Well.....yes.
Since 2009 Public Service Loan Forg...Well.....yes.<br /><br />Since 2009 Public Service Loan Forgiveness has been there, and it kind of, or really actually does undermine the whole premise of this blog, and moreover undermines any complaints about federal student loan debt.<br /><br />Qualifying for Public Service IRONCLAD GUARANTEED Loan Forgiveness (after 10 short years) iS just an arm's reach away, and as easy as filling out an application for a very easy to get Public service job. <br /><br />There is no IRS bill at the end of 10 years in the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program.<br /><br />So here is a case study:<br /><br />Student Blackacre owes 200K in Undergrad and Law School debt, sans real estate and tall oaks and mature 20 ft. rhododendron hedges.<br /><br />Student Blackacre's parents are broke but co- signed on the federal debt and are now living on a SS income less 15% due to having co signed on Student Blackacre's Federally backed SL debt.<br /><br />Student Greenacre, in the meantime, is doing fine, and is a filthy and disgusting parasite and a burden on the parents because his or her parents had enough money to pay for his or her law school tuition and in full.<br /><br />The story has a happy en ding because student Blackacre signed up for Public service loan forgiveness as soon as it became law and in 2009 and is only 6 or so years away from delivering self and parents from student loan hell, free and clear and with no IRS bill at the end.<br /><br />Parents will be close to 90 by then, and will be able to get a full SS check with the 15% SL garnishment redacted.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31993369628406729502012-12-09T15:41:50.278-08:002012-12-09T15:41:50.278-08:00Overseas outsourcing will not be a huge deal for U...Overseas outsourcing will not be a huge deal for US attorney employment (domestic outsourcing is another matter).<br /><br />In many low wage countries including in India, there are few people who can write or read as well as lawyers in the US. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com