tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post8380095193401145885..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: JD not neededLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-91081071791570752832013-02-25T18:03:06.086-08:002013-02-25T18:03:06.086-08:00What's up Dear, are you genuinely visiting thi...What's up Dear, are you genuinely visiting this web site on a regular basis, if so after that you will definitely obtain pleasant knowledge.<br /><br />Also visit my site ... <a href="http://www.muktochinta.org/index.php?option=com_blog&view=comments&pid=2573&Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">steinzeitdiät</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39122345668077639292013-02-22T22:45:56.135-08:002013-02-22T22:45:56.135-08:00I'm amazed, I have to admit. Rarely do I encou...I'm amazed, I have to admit. 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I felt really down in the dumps, then I realized that while she's living in a swanky downtown apt and accruing huge sums of debt that she'll never be able to pay off I've got a net worth of almost $100K already at, something this blog leads me to believe she may hope for by the time she's 50...if she's lucky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-62104516767089874222012-09-22T21:12:45.527-07:002012-09-22T21:12:45.527-07:00The Great Lawland Prophet and Truthsayer John J. B...The Great Lawland Prophet and Truthsayer John J. Bungsolaphagus The Only invaded Mr. Infinity's site and literally ran him off the blogoshere by calling him Mr. Infinifool and calling his card on the likely fact that he is a 1 or 2L at a TT or worse who just recently discovered the truth about his likely lawland future on the scam blogs and is in denial and seeks to vent his paniced anger at the scam bloggers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19509409162720965612012-09-01T07:59:06.862-07:002012-09-01T07:59:06.862-07:00How can anyone here argue that experience matters ...How can anyone here argue that experience matters less than formal education when dealing in law? Most areas of the law are so specialized, that three years studying civil procedure and con law followed by a few weeks cramming for the state bar is utterly meaningless experience.<br /><br />The fallacious reasoning in this thread is that JD=smarter than experienced BA, which can be true but is not necessarily true. This is why most countries do not require a three year degree above and beyond the BA (law is just a bachelor's degree in practically every westernized country outside of the US) and it was this way in the US before the ABA raised the JD as an artificial bar to keep out the "unwashed masses". <br /><br />Second, most attorney's do not want to address the fact that law school is self-selecting for pompous jerks. Remember that undergraduate polisci major who you couldn't stand to spend five minutes around when you were in college? Yup, he's an attorney now. So are the other people you couldn't stand back in college (and if you don't recognize this reality, you were likely one of those people that others couldn't stand - trust me on this). Law school promises high rewards to otherwise mediocre people who have not really accomplished anything yet in their lives, and this promise appeals to a certain type of person that regular people just don't like. The young people I talk to who want to go to law school almost never have a reason other than "I have a useless degree and I want to sound impressive at cocktail parties", which is precisely the type of person that us regular people do not want to have to work with. As such, law school is a damn near perfect filter for assuring that you keep these kind of people out of the workplace.<br /><br />Third, attorneys are professionally-trained pessimists: years of high-stakes "issue spotting" have turned them into chronic naysayers. You turn to an attorney for advice on how to accomplish X and they will give you 50 "issues" to consider why you cannot/should not do X. Nevermind that all 50 potential "issues" are only likely to develop into an actual problem in 1/5000 transactions, the attorney can never actually tell you that - in the back of their minds, they are always saying "if the client takes no action because I spotted this potential issue, my personal risk is zero, whereas I will be risking my license and opening myself up to liability if I say it is an issue of negligible concern and then it develops into something, even if the risk is very close to zero". This is the cardinal rule when dealing with attorneys: they always represent their own self-interest first. Partners with years of experience appear to have the confidence or experience to avoid this trap (and they are partners because they know how to actually get things done in the first place) and can give worthwhile legal advice (which is why Y Company will spend $800/hr to talk with them) but a graduate right out of law school is, sadly, not useful.<br /><br />Finally, there simply is no substitute for experience, and companies know this. The summer spent clerking for a law professor or making photocopies in Z Law Firm is totally meaningless experience. Doubly so for something like moot court or law review. <br /><br />If you are BP, looking for an IP manager, why would you hire a fresh law school grad who has taken one or two IP courses, read a few patents, drafted none, never drafted or interpreted the scope of claims, never read a prosecution file history, etc.? Compare this to the non-JD competing for the job: the patent agent with 5 years experience in a law firm, who already knows the nuts and bolts of actual practice or the paralegal that has spent 5 years working in X area of regulatory compliance. Both of these people can jump into the job on day one and get it done. Why would you hire someone else simply because they have more formal education? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-72759150840143750192012-08-30T08:06:06.801-07:002012-08-30T08:06:06.801-07:00One of the reasons on this trend is the fact that ...One of the reasons on this trend is the fact that some companies are into cost-cutting. Getting a certified lawyer can spell bigger income than an undergraduate or an experienced paralegal. Aside from that, a lot of companies are looking into jacks of all trade employees nowadays. They utilize their existing employees with regards to making simple agreements or procedures that tackle on laws and regulations. Nevertheless, it still pays to have a lawyer in the company in case grievances, complex legal instances and the likes arise. ingridhttp://www.mcaleerlaw.com/CM/CarAccidents/Motor-Vehicle-Accident-Injury.aspnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-67124002107798317842012-08-28T12:38:01.114-07:002012-08-28T12:38:01.114-07:00"But there is no escaping the fact that CFOs ..."But there is no escaping the fact that CFOs and finance departments are usually to use an English cliché, "penny wise and pound foolish.""<br /><br />The way that I put it are that some costs are 'hard'; you can point to the actual dollars. Some costs are soft; you can't point to them. Until they hit you.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47369981740408536722012-08-28T11:55:56.302-07:002012-08-28T11:55:56.302-07:00Will people stop griping about non-lawyers working...Will people stop griping about non-lawyers working in-house conducting the "unauthorized practice of law"? I can't speak for all 50 states but I know in NJ it involves establishing attorney/client relationships with members of the public for a fee. It is about the relationship, NOT about the substantive work. Of course you cannot enter an appearance in court or file a document on behalf of a client. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28404638873946859332012-08-26T21:04:41.811-07:002012-08-26T21:04:41.811-07:00Law school was designed to be a 3 year barrier to ...Law school was designed to be a 3 year barrier to the bar. With the unlimited amount of student loan funding available to these hustlers posing as law school deans and professors, it is a nothing more than a vehicle of enrichment for these craven knaves. Law school doesn't teach you anything and with entry level opportunities shrinking for newly minted lawyers, I am afraid most will find it to be an obscenely expensive ticket to nowhere but hey, I guess some people find putting "Esq." behind their name as some sort of redeeming status symbol (I can assure you it's not). The only people getting a benefit from law school are the deans, professors, administrators and the student loan companies (especially the collection agencies). Academia is a joke these days. Schools put money above the students' interests. Look at what happened at Penn State in allowing a pedophile to sexually assault minors as long as the boosters were happy and the Lions were winning bowl games. And look at NYU. That school owns as much real estate in NYC as the Catholic church and has billions of dollars in endowment yet kids get suckered into going to this school, often paying sticker and for what? So you can say you lived in the Village? Fuck that. This is a racket of epic proportions. Organized crime wished it could run this scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10808035646530521142012-08-26T17:15:37.718-07:002012-08-26T17:15:37.718-07:00I think this comment makes an excellent point. Wh...I think this comment makes an excellent point. When I got to a firm as a summer, it became clear to me that what I did not understand were business transactions, financing choices and industries. As a result, I picked courses 3L year that would teach me about topics like accounting and finance, because these were the topics I knew I could not teach myself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7431933389835468242012-08-26T16:59:29.113-07:002012-08-26T16:59:29.113-07:00So, you think this is a bullshit rule that has no ...So, you think this is a bullshit rule that has no impact on the bottom line:<br /><br />The parol evidence rule is a substantive common law rule in contract cases that prevents a party to a written contract from presenting extrinsic evidence that contradicts or adds to the written terms of the contract that appears to be whole. The supporting rationale is that since the contracting parties have reduced their agreement to a single and final writing, the extrinsic evidence of past agreements or terms should not be considered when interpreting that writing, as the parties had decided to ultimately leave them out of the contract. A common misconception is that it is a rule of evidence (like the Federal Rules of Evidence), but that is not the case. Basically, you cannot use oral testimony to contradict the terms of a signed contract.<br /><br />This is fairly important to understanding contract diputes and what your vulnerabilities might be. Seems fairly important to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24696688395463731732012-08-26T16:50:05.536-07:002012-08-26T16:50:05.536-07:00There are many more examples:
Title Insurance: Y...There are many more examples:<br /><br />Title Insurance: Years ago, attorneys prepared abstracts and gave opinions on legal title. That business is almost all gone.<br /><br />Oil and Gas: A lot of oil and gas work is done by landsmen who research legal titles and negotiate long term leases. Most of these landsmen are not working for the oil companies, but are independent contractors.<br /><br />Bankruptcy and Divorce: There are a number of shops which are set up to provide scrivener services. For a fee, they will prepare bankruptcy and divorce paperwork. They are not supposed to give legal advice but they do.<br /><br />Contracting specialists. I have a friend, who years ago went to work as a contract specialist for the U.S. Airforce. He negotiates contracts for a military installation. While he does have a law degree, he never passed the bar. The law degree was entirely unnecessary for his work.<br /><br />Claims paralegal. Many of the big personal injury law firms do not hire attorneys. Instead they hire former insurance adjusters. These employees evaluate cases and negotiate settlements, but are minimally supervised by attorneys.<br /><br />Corporate paralegals: A lawyer friend had a girlfriend who was corporate paralegal. Yes, she made more money as a paralegal than he did as an attorney.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />Part of the problem here is that law school really does not teach any valuable skills. They don't teach people how to practice law. They don't teach people how to pass the bar. They really don't teach much of anything.<br /><br />I learned more about the law from my BAR-BRI course than I did in three years of law school. I leaned more about the practice of law working for a law firm as a law clerk from the time of my graduation until I was admitted to the bar than I did in law school.<br /><br />Over the years, I did public utilites, bankruptcy, county law, child protection and commercial litigation. I studied none of these things in law school For me, law school was a complete waste of time and money.<br /><br />High Plains LawyerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77295382442998836232012-08-26T12:36:06.234-07:002012-08-26T12:36:06.234-07:00"Try raising the "parol evidence rule&qu..."Try raising the "parol evidence rule" with a non lawyer contract manager. the look you get will be priceless."<br /><br />The problem is that you learn many doctrines in law school which do not have cost-effective value when analyzing the law as a mathematical cost benefit analysis. A law graduate will raise and issue that has zero or negligible impact on the bottom line, and while legally meritorious, you are wasting your time by even discussing it.<br /><br />Business only cares about laws that matter. Law gradautes care about all laws, because they have been taught to issue spot the most meaningless trifling bullshit. That's why business does not like law grads, not even for jobs involving compliance!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47850549169949553252012-08-26T12:09:06.271-07:002012-08-26T12:09:06.271-07:00I work in a Fortune 10 company as a contract manag...I work in a Fortune 10 company as a contract manager. What DJM says is true; many non-lawyers are hired for legal positions. What is also true is that my colleagues without law degrees have no idea what they're talking about. Try raising the "parol evidence rule" with a non lawyer contract manager. the look you get will be priceless. <br /><br />The funny thing is, that we could get lawyers with at least a year or two experience from good schools for what we pay the non lawyer contract managers we have. what gives? i really think the whole law degree was worthless unless the bar is going to be very aggressive about unauthorized practice. <br /><br />I disagree with DJM that these people aren't engaged in unauthorized practice. they receive a salary b/c they provide advice on legal issues. they absolutely are charging for legal advice. but until the bar takes a much more aggressive stance against this, it will continue and more lawyers will have worthless degrees that can't be used for anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24148915703345299182012-08-26T11:58:52.270-07:002012-08-26T11:58:52.270-07:00I really do not want to repost the horrible stalke...I really do not want to repost the horrible stalker comments and threats that Mr. Infinity has made against me and my family on his now removed blog.<br /><br />I have a hard copy.<br /><br />The next step is to call the police about Mr. Infinity.<br /><br />Mr. Infinity's video contains veiled threats against a number of people and is cause for alarm.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82137527763619951732012-08-26T11:04:14.101-07:002012-08-26T11:04:14.101-07:00"Careless drafting, incorrect interpretation ..."Careless drafting, incorrect interpretation of laws, and improper administration of internal regulations are commonplace"<br /><br />This isn't true, and in fact it occurs most often because incompetent lawyers are in the process. See e.g. the robosigning scandals where attorneys gave incorrect advice.<br /><br />In addition, JDs have difficulty taking the low level clerical jobs at these companies, because law schools overcharged them and tricked them into taking out loans that they now need to repay.<br /><br />Finally, corporate culture does not like lawyers because lawyers spend too much time issue spotting, even when there is no issue, thus they waste time and obstruct.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19406264309669548492012-08-26T10:46:05.687-07:002012-08-26T10:46:05.687-07:00I think the better point is not that companies are...I think the better point is not that companies are getting along just fine without JD's, it's that they think they are.<br /><br />Careless drafting, incorrect interpretation of laws, and improper administration of internal regulations are commonplace, especially where lawyers are not active in the process. But it may be the exception that anyone who matters cares about that. Except in core areas companies don't seem too troubled by it. I've been stunned by "legal" conversations I've had with non-lawyers charged with, essentially, applying legal rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9253841209637569702012-08-26T10:32:45.187-07:002012-08-26T10:32:45.187-07:00Pretty much. Pretty much. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-69137798745721021942012-08-26T10:12:17.082-07:002012-08-26T10:12:17.082-07:00I feel alive after watching that hilarious youtube...I feel alive after watching that hilarious youtube. Thank you Mr. Infinity and please keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80594395909939972532012-08-26T10:11:33.801-07:002012-08-26T10:11:33.801-07:00LMAO DJM IS PROF. CAMPOS'S IMAGINARY FRIEND!! ...LMAO DJM IS PROF. CAMPOS'S IMAGINARY FRIEND!! LMAO LOLOLOLOLOL HOLY SHTIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68158697350263345072012-08-26T10:10:39.670-07:002012-08-26T10:10:39.670-07:00LOLOLOLOLOLOL I'M DYING OF LAUGHTER. PLEASE MO...LOLOLOLOLOLOL I'M DYING OF LAUGHTER. PLEASE MORE YOUTUBES MR. INFINITY1!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70302744961453065012012-08-26T10:10:10.300-07:002012-08-26T10:10:10.300-07:00Mr. Infinity is the funniest thing I have seen in ...Mr. Infinity is the funniest thing I have seen in a long long time. I'm dyign from the youtube!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55044809849695541582012-08-26T10:09:29.524-07:002012-08-26T10:09:29.524-07:00LOLOLOL Mr. Infinity is putting up youtubes? I lov...LOLOLOL Mr. Infinity is putting up youtubes? I love that guy. Go Mr. Infinity go!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47167400188125936512012-08-26T10:06:08.962-07:002012-08-26T10:06:08.962-07:00Another good post, rigorously written.Another good post, rigorously written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28071863961649407942012-08-26T08:12:35.885-07:002012-08-26T08:12:35.885-07:00I choose to believe he snatched defeat from the ja...I choose to believe he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...Crux of lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572986619859564280noreply@blogger.com