tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post8001965496913838716..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: One million and countingLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78513852059727918402012-05-10T06:01:25.467-07:002012-05-10T06:01:25.467-07:00College admission directors provide structure and ...College admission directors provide structure and guidance through standardized testing, self-evaluation, essay writing, and college selection.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sisindia.net/sis/html/general_information.htm" rel="nofollow">School Admission</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13299920644015317124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55103315250719055252012-05-04T07:13:02.336-07:002012-05-04T07:13:02.336-07:00http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-...http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-are-100-million-working-age-americans-that-do-not-have-jobs<br /><br />Title says it all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-48643481198821284992012-05-04T07:04:23.119-07:002012-05-04T07:04:23.119-07:00I see that the troll/fantacist is back - showing h...I see that the troll/fantacist is back - showing how well his parents raised him (he did tell us they were better than most people) by flinging around the word retarded (which I think he thinks would impress his alleged medical student girlfrined). Standby for his mentions of Princeton and Yale (where he seems to be a 1L) and self important discussions of how as a junior analysis at the most important investment bank in the world he mingled socially with partners and associates of BigLaw while they mocked the lesser class of lawyers - and of how everyone here is in shitlaw. I notice he is already operating under the assumption that he has a great job and career in the bag (an offer from Dewey.....)<br /><br />I had an interesting discussion recently. I was remembering one of the highest earning international lawyers in the world, whose son was in my class in school (and L is now a filmmaker.) Max was never an equity partner - but stayed "of counsel" his whole career - because he made more money and never had to sign on for the firm's debts and leases and was able to be semi-autonomous. It occurred to me because at another lunch recently we were discussing a young partner - who had just made it to equity at Howrey - when bam - he lost IT ALL - everything, the equity in his house, all his savings, everything (he was in the London office so creditors can go after everything (no Exemptions.) That is what may now happen to the Dewey partners - they lose millions - joint and several - and Dewey's debts are huge.<br /><br />Being a HYS graduate guarantees nothing. It is easier to get a first legal job - maybe a second - but after 4-6 years experience no one in practice really gives a shit where a lawyer went to school - they care about whether that person is a good lawyer. For HYS graduates the problem often is that they do not get the sort of experience in BigLaw that makes them good lawyers - their experience is too narrow - or in government they head straight for policy positions that again preclude getting experience. Hence the higher than expected bozo quotient from HYS.<br /><br />Moreover, the vast majority of first year associates in BigLaw will end up in small law - and that includes the HYS graduates. BigLaw simply cannot absorb and keep the classes from HYS or from the T14 using its current business model.<br /><br />The other issue with BigLaw is that the small rate at which it has made new equity partners and even non-equity partners over the last 2 decades is part of the reason why big firms are now blowing up. They do not have a deep bench and they are too dependent on a small number of rainmaking partners - who can move - or have an off year. <br /><br />I have my own private prediction list of the firms in BigLaw that look healthy today that I think are very likely to blow up over the next five years.MacKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442386017204584747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73230284741741858452012-05-04T05:40:06.330-07:002012-05-04T05:40:06.330-07:00jd painter just doesn't know how to accept rea...jd painter just doesn't know how to accept reality and move on.<br /><br />He's like a rape victim still afraid to go out at night; stuck in the house, curled up with a blanket, shaking and looking out the window with fear.<br /><br />You got screwed buddy... a lot of us did. Find something new and move on for god-f_cking-sake.<br /><br />What do you think other people do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-72142278017600868412012-05-04T04:46:44.037-07:002012-05-04T04:46:44.037-07:00The Troll is waiting for marriage, how sweet.The Troll is waiting for marriage, how sweet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39272630171238263002012-05-04T04:44:20.607-07:002012-05-04T04:44:20.607-07:00JDPAINTER
What do you want from the rest of us? ...JDPAINTER <br /><br />What do you want from the rest of us? We can't take the bar exam for you. We can 't pass the bar for you. Are you wanting us to send you $10 dollars apiece until you have enough money to pay for your debt? Do you think the people who succeeded at this game "owe" you something?<br /><br />And what is your fixation on my profile views? I have tried to defend you despite your rudeness, but it is getting harder and maybe I was wrong to do so. You are getting creepy. I don't even know (or care) what profile views are. I don't make my living from "profile views".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63513611577212537012012-05-04T03:47:37.168-07:002012-05-04T03:47:37.168-07:00I have a job.
After a while a person is what they...I have a job.<br /><br />After a while a person is what they do.<br /><br />Once more: There is a window of time within which to pass the bar and get established within the field.<br /><br />If not the race against the debt and interest is lost.<br /><br />And so, after a while, a prospective employer looks at the JD and sees wonders why in the hell that JD is working serving pizzas or cleaning houses or painting etc. <br /><br />If anyone wants to pray for anything, pray that consumer bankruptcy protections are brought back for student loan debt.<br /><br />The Law Schools need to have skin in the game.<br /><br />I could probably do better for myself if I could get a small business loan from my bank.<br /><br />But I have a default on my credit report and my credit is shot for life. (have a look at my blog and see the scan of my credit report showing that)<br /><br />There is another little thing called the: "Excessive debt to Income ratio" and I have that as well and there are scans of credit rejection letters on my blog showing that too.<br /><br />Hell......one million viewers and I might as well be talking to a brick wall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76886197064030213402012-05-03T23:06:19.264-07:002012-05-03T23:06:19.264-07:008:43 - Amen. William Ockham8:43 - Amen. William OckhamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-48430477881691847962012-05-03T22:41:34.232-07:002012-05-03T22:41:34.232-07:00@DJM OSU actually provided LST its NALP Report htt...@DJM OSU actually provided LST its NALP Report http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/documents/NALPReports/2010/OSU_Redacted.pdf<br /><br />So did George Mason: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/documents/NALPReports/2010/George-Mason_Redacted.pdf<br /><br />These are both reflected in our clearinghouse so that it's easier to compare.Law School Transparencyhttp://www.lawschooltransparency.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26157125330916161762012-05-03T21:48:44.239-07:002012-05-03T21:48:44.239-07:00Since commenters are asking about schools outside ...Since commenters are asking about schools outside the top five: One school that elicited some discussion months ago was George Mason. They had particularly abbreviated employment information and, bowing to public pressure, have now disclosed significantly more data. http://www.law.gmu.edu/career/employment_information. While far from perfect, GMU's data are now much better than my own school's. They also offer a sobering insight into just how bad the legal market has become. <br /><br />The school ranks 39th in US News, so we're still talking about the top tier. But George Mason's graduating class size shrank from 230 in 2009 to 170 in 2011. I don't know how deliberate that drop was; at 26%, it's a larger contraction than the projected one at Hastings.<br /><br />Even with a much smaller class, George Mason placed only 63.5% of its 2011 grads in full-time jobs requiring bar passage. The number of grads in firms of over 500 fell from 26 in 2009 to 13 in 2010 and 4 in 2011. Median salary is $63,688 for 2011, with 74% reporting. The average debt load for the class, meanwhile, was $101,170 (per US News and ABA data). 78.2% had debt.<br /><br />I don't think GMU is particularly different from other schools of its rank. In fact, I suspect the OSU numbers will be very similar. That's the picture, as I see it, in the bottom half of the top tier.DJMhttp://moritzlaw.osu.edu/faculty/bios.php?ID=38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43092467079540598972012-05-03T20:54:35.096-07:002012-05-03T20:54:35.096-07:00@8:48-- Yup@8:48-- YupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23783718141438983192012-05-03T20:50:48.256-07:002012-05-03T20:50:48.256-07:00Thanks DJM. I always thought administrators did t...Thanks DJM. I always thought administrators did their thing and law profs were off in their own little world. Apparently I was mistaken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-62182897651379137342012-05-03T20:48:01.987-07:002012-05-03T20:48:01.987-07:008:22,
Are you really that lazy that you can't ...8:22,<br />Are you really that lazy that you can't even click on her name?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34468675566428700912012-05-03T20:47:27.889-07:002012-05-03T20:47:27.889-07:008:14, good question. Quite a number (but not all)...8:14, good question. Quite a number (but not all) of our administrators are lawyers; I don't know how the percentages break out at other schools. But the administrators take their cues from the lawyerly dean and, to a lesser extent, the lawyerly faculty. It is extraordinary how many faculty defend the limited disclosures that schools make on employment outcomes. If deans and faculty take that position, untenured administrators definitely will follow suit.<br /><br />@8:22: merritt.52@osu.edu. But all of those emails forward automatically to my gmail account which, I discovered years ago, functions much more effectively than our university's email. So merritt52@gmail.com also works directly.DJMhttp://moritzlaw.osu.edu/faculty/bios.php?ID=38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38008061885120987082012-05-03T20:43:40.205-07:002012-05-03T20:43:40.205-07:00JD Painter, tonight I said the Rosary for you.. I ...JD Painter, tonight I said the Rosary for you.. I am so sorry for all that you are going through & I can see that it is slowly chipping away at you.. I pray that you are made whole and that you are given a job soon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-30271384088753295152012-05-03T20:22:31.226-07:002012-05-03T20:22:31.226-07:00I think the right question is why so much time is ...I think the right question is why so much time is spent on this blog talking about top five law schools. Also, DJM, do you have a school email that you use for official business?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23773645116293886232012-05-03T20:14:04.520-07:002012-05-03T20:14:04.520-07:00DJM:
Aren't most of the people in those admini...DJM:<br />Aren't most of the people in those administrative roles (CSO, admissions, etc.) not even lawyers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36156480152488630292012-05-03T20:10:24.828-07:002012-05-03T20:10:24.828-07:00What is all this bashing? Jd clown might be a vict...What is all this bashing? Jd clown might be a victim ho but it does not change the fact that system fucked him like it fucks many other law grads. No need to mix issues... does someone really need to be a saint in order to claim that they were wronged?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68742948641733193732012-05-03T20:00:48.826-07:002012-05-03T20:00:48.826-07:00"Schools are subjected to various interventio..."Schools are subjected to various interventions, get on the transparency wagon (sort of), but keep falling off." Absolutely dead on! And it's shameful in two ways. First, of course, schools are continuing to mislead prospective and current students; if they are forced to clean up one set of statistics, they blur a different set.<br /><br />Second, this behavior seems to reflect what legal education has become--and what many clients find so distasteful in new lawyers. We teach students to split hairs, base decisions only on legal principles (rather than business needs, customer relations, etc), and propose the most extreme advocacy position that they can defend with a straight face. <br /><br />I talked today with a very senior law professor who has spent the last two decades in central administration. He reminisced that legal education is so valuable because it "teaches people to ask the right questions." I told him that might have been true at one time, but that it no longer seemed true to me. Other disciplines, I think, have outstripped us in problem solving and analytic thinking.<br /><br />That failure to ask the right questions is what I see with NYU, CLS, and most other law schools on the employment question. As LawProf points out, the stone walling of some schools isn't even rational. They're not asking the right questions: What's fair to our students and prospective students? What should a responsible academic institution do? Most striking, they're not even asking, Would disclosure actually help us because our statistics are excellent and applicants would trust us more?<br /><br />We as institutions react reflexively, rather than thoughtfully, to problems and that seems to be what we're teaching students in the classroom as well as by example.DJMhttp://moritzlaw.osu.edu/faculty/bios.php?ID=38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-15411686631223375712012-05-03T19:59:30.170-07:002012-05-03T19:59:30.170-07:00@7:36PM
Glad I drew you out of your creepy and eq...@7:36PM<br /><br />Glad I drew you out of your creepy and equally pathetic hole or rather from under your rock.<br /><br />How do you really know what I am all about anyway?<br /><br />You seem to think that suicidal student loan debtor's are all crazy.<br /><br />You seem to think or imply that graduating from a law school is no guarantee of a job.<br /><br />You said it, not me.<br /><br />Personal responsibility is the bastard child of usurious despots<br /><br />like you<br /><br />And believe you me, a decade or more of preposterous usury will wear away the human mind.<br /><br />How can it not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-42437869563473564292012-05-03T19:36:22.137-07:002012-05-03T19:36:22.137-07:00@JD Painter Guy:
If your situation is as dire as ...@JD Painter Guy:<br /><br />If your situation is as dire as you make it seem, I don't see how you don't qualify for an "undue hardship" under s.523 of the Bk code (which is very hard, but if you come across as pathetic in person as you do on this blog then you should have no problems.) Alternatively, might I suggest (a) finding a psychologist and, (b) filing for SSI and/or Social Security Disability (SSDI). As a back-up Dept of Ed regs allow discharge if a medical professional will certify that you're permanently unable to work...perhaps then you will be able to hyperfocus on something less...distructive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6594945783361976002012-05-03T19:13:17.688-07:002012-05-03T19:13:17.688-07:00It ain't the banjo
It's the Man Joe!
It ...It ain't the banjo<br /><br />It's the Man Joe!<br /><br />It ain't the ski's<br />It's inthe knees<br /><br />It ain't the tennis racket<br />It's how you wack it!<br /><br />It ain't the baseball bat at all!<br />It's the way you address the ball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-603335585377604042012-05-03T19:11:35.077-07:002012-05-03T19:11:35.077-07:00Maybe I will leave this country and try to get smu...Maybe I will leave this country and try to get smuggled back in.<br /><br />I will probably have more rights that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21577687163286117912012-05-03T19:08:26.642-07:002012-05-03T19:08:26.642-07:00Growing my hairGrowing my hairAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7972141342176997522012-05-03T19:08:02.664-07:002012-05-03T19:08:02.664-07:00tdennis
pathetic profile views.
Out of touch, as...tdennis<br /><br />pathetic profile views.<br /><br />Out of touch, as alwaysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com