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I want America to die SO BADLY, so that these pathetic pigs suffer as much as I have.<br /><br />Law school scam.AtheistATLLawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32410717306233029142011-09-20T19:12:10.564-07:002011-09-20T19:12:10.564-07:00@ 5:01:
"...most people don't go to law ...@ 5:01: <br />"...most people don't go to law school in order to run their own business. That ends up happening to many of them, of course. But most people just want to work for a boss and collect a check. At least, for a while they want to do that."<br /><br />No person who just wants to "collect a check" will ever go anywhere, regardless how large the check is. Every established lawyer "runs their own business" whether he has 0 partners, 3 partners or 500 biglaw partners. Bring in a big book of business and you are a partner wherever you want. Lose your book of business and you are gone.<br /><br />Your point about wanting a job in the beginning is well taken. Since law schools teach nothing, you need to learn and its reasonable to expect at least a living wage for 7 years of college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31143654552724322732011-09-20T17:12:06.834-07:002011-09-20T17:12:06.834-07:00Student loans are barred by law to be discharged t...Student loans are barred by law to be discharged through bankruptcy unless you are totally and completely disabled. A very high standard that very few people qualify for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-59236319012614193162011-09-20T17:02:50.040-07:002011-09-20T17:02:50.040-07:00Anyone filing for bankruptcy should at least try t...Anyone filing for bankruptcy should at least try to include their student loans. <br /><br />I have no experience with bankruptcy, but don't the creditors have to object to the discharge in order to maintain their standing? If everyone includes their student loans, maybe a few would slip through the cracks. If everyone tries it, it might create a very successful cases that others could cite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-2974427245070044552011-09-20T17:01:39.798-07:002011-09-20T17:01:39.798-07:00I think a better way of saying might be that most ...I think a better way of saying might be that most people don't go to law school in order to run their own business. That ends up happening to many of them, of course. But most people just want to work for a boss and collect a check. At least, for a while they want to do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-42288489666045731522011-09-20T16:32:53.744-07:002011-09-20T16:32:53.744-07:00I don't understand this common notion of lawye...I don't understand this common notion of lawyers being "risk averse". I handle everything on flat rates and contingency. I am constantly evaluating risk and reward and placing my bets. <br /><br />Every lawyer who truly becomes successful is like this. What other profession, outside of finance and tech entrepreneurship, lets an ambitious person become as successful as law? <br /><br />You can advertise for routine cases for flat (or hourly rate) cash flow. You can take money and invest in small contingency cases (small PI), then larger (med mal), then larger (product liability, drugs, Viox, asbestos) then larger ( securities, class actions, patents). Or you can get a book of business clients and hire associates to do grunt work. <br /><br />Everything about the law school scam is correct. But being "risk averse" is a psychological disorder. A successful person knows how to manage risk-reward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-59453276425954633512011-09-20T16:32:00.339-07:002011-09-20T16:32:00.339-07:00LOL - there will be no revolution (ending the curr...LOL - there will be no revolution (ending the current structural issues regarding student loans is the problem and not what professors say or better transparency)...and whom do you think has helped the current situation get to the point it is? There are a ton of assumptions in your argument and good luck with all of them. I happen to think that if law profs from top tier schools start quitting and saying why then it will effect far more change than circulating a petition. Its just a way of saying, hey look at me...Im trying...Im not the bad guy. Meanwhile dead bodies continue to pile up.<br /><br />Also, I was making a personal moral judgment and Im allowed to have one. Campos is way down the list but I still judge him for what he continues to personally profit from. And you can't say any differently about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32394646354736077392011-09-20T15:43:15.531-07:002011-09-20T15:43:15.531-07:00Re 1:23: I hesitate to state the obvious since it ...Re 1:23: I hesitate to state the obvious since it has already been stated so many times, but the "he should quit" line of reasoning is just assinine:<br /><br />If everyone who cares about making an institution better, more honest, or more moral, quits because things are already so bad, then the only people left in the institution--the only people with the power to do anything--are the ones who genuinely don't care. By encouraging wouldbe reformers to quit you create a situation where, if people followed your advise, the remaining faculties would be self-selected for their indifference and/or willful blindness to the problems of modern law schools. Revolutions are remarkably rare, and I'm not sure how exactly a revolution could be effected from outside legal academia. Our best hope for change is for professors who give a damn to stay at their jobs, talk to their colleagues, and start moving things from the inside. I don't know whether there are enough such professors to succeed. But I do know that without such professors there is no chance of change on any timescale that will help the current or next generation of law students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23265154314409052002011-09-20T13:23:27.907-07:002011-09-20T13:23:27.907-07:00Sorry but this looks like a hey, the game is fucke...Sorry but this looks like a hey, the game is fucked so don't hate the player. Just another pronouncement from on high from a slightly clueless academic. You and Merrit are so cozy in your positions and so used to having your butts kissed from below that you think you're not part of the problem. I was on the fence with this one but now I really think if you have a conscience and no law loans to repay you need to quit. (sorry, not a lawprof).<br /><br />I work for biglaw and I hold my nose every time I have to manage or come near a doc review case because we are so blatantly taking advantage of attorneys in mostly desperate situations when we should be simply hiring more associates. But I have massive law school loans to repay and absolutely no power to do anything about the situation. And I still feel horrible about it all. You have a choice. You now know the situation. If I were you I would not be making these grand statements absolving yourselves and typing away at the keyboard, uselessly, about it all. That petition you;re circulating won't do much but shine a light on a part of the problem that most people are already aware of. <br /><br />All I see is someone who thoroughly enjoys his position of power. Just because you all of a sudden had a "come to Jesus moment" we're all supposed to say, hey its cool! Its all good! He's one of us and on the side of the angels. (This criticism is aimed more at people like Merrit than Campos) Its a cry for attention and recognition that you academic types crave. You want my respect? Quit and say why. Because in the end you know how you're drawing your salary and who suffers and if you can live with that, fine. But hey, all of these half measures are better than nothing...I guess. <br /><br />Of course, this is only my little inconsequential personal opinion. <br /><br />Also, to the person above who thinks that attaches skyrocketing tuition to US News is delusional. Guaranteed student loans create a false market where tuition is based on maximum amount a student can be loaned rather than what students can afford to pay out of pocket. There are endless stories of students being able to pay their way through school by taking on a part-time job decades ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61376426057867810422011-09-20T13:13:49.654-07:002011-09-20T13:13:49.654-07:00Why not just get rid of the law school barrier to ...Why not just get rid of the law school barrier to entry, in combination with strict placement transparency? <br /><br />1) Convince states to merge their bars into one national bar.<br /><br />2)Make the bar exam more difficult (add an intelligence/analytical reasoning portion to it to sort of merge the LSAT into the bar)<br /><br />3) Allow everybody who wants to take the bar to take it, regardless of attending law school.<br /><br />4) Create and enforce stricter rules of ethical conduct for maintaining active membership in the bar (e.g. two strike expulsion). <br /><br />5) Have the new national bar mandate strict transparency requirements. Place burdens on the schools to do the "legwork;" i.e. create a draconian penalty for non-responses.<br /><br />6) Problem solved: law schools would have to justify their existence by demonstrating to potential students the value they'd add for their cost with real, transparent stats. Beneficial by-product: since law schools are mostly a sorting mechanism, 1/3 (maybe even 1/2?) would disappear almost overnight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-4115265557274938572011-09-20T12:59:42.768-07:002011-09-20T12:59:42.768-07:00Let's dismantle the liars and the mouthpiece f...Let's dismantle the liars and the mouthpiece for their lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53711979699396077072011-09-20T12:55:33.853-07:002011-09-20T12:55:33.853-07:00Here's UNAWR location, which I found on...wait...Here's UNAWR location, which I found on...wait for it...Yelp. <br /><br />1050 Thomas Jefferson St NW<br />Washington, DC 20007<br />Neighborhood: GeorgetownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-15771249561905678832011-09-20T12:52:10.512-07:002011-09-20T12:52:10.512-07:00We should keep tabs on Mr. Norse and the 6 individ...We should keep tabs on Mr. Norse and the 6 individuals that he oversees to determine what, if any, impropriety takes place in the determination of these rankings. <br /><br />How do we know that Mr. Norse or one of his underlings isn't treated to lunch by some representative at Georgetown, George Washington, or any of the other ABA-accredited schools? <br /><br />If we stage a march, we should stage at his Georgetown office location.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26022982740264815532011-09-20T12:48:24.133-07:002011-09-20T12:48:24.133-07:00What we need is some form of Consumer Reports for ...What we need is some form of Consumer Reports for Higher Education, and, no, I don't mean UNAWR obviously. There was an interesting article in the Washington Post about the guy behind the UNAWR rankings. I'm not sure if any of you saw this or if it was mentioned in a previous post, but this article from 9/2/2011 puts a face on at least one part of the problem: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-news-college-rankings-are-denounced-but-not-ignored/2011/09/02/gIQAn6BzzJ_story.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26239634182807432642011-09-20T12:43:31.960-07:002011-09-20T12:43:31.960-07:00Very soon in education the economic viability of e...Very soon in education the economic viability of each profession will be a deciding factor in whether the GOVERNMENT-subsidized loan will finds its way to one's account. That isn't to say that private loans won't be available, but if the government pulls the plug on high-risk loans, then the private lenders are sure to follow suit unless they can charge an extremely high interest rate, which many, arguably, already do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64620277277764749062011-09-20T12:37:22.077-07:002011-09-20T12:37:22.077-07:00These people won't be going to law school if t...These people won't be going to law school if there is no loan program in place to sufficiently provide them the funds to pay for such an endeavor. Do you seriously think the government will continue to fund graduates, who either default or have to be subsequently subsidized and forgiven of their debt through IBR? It might make economic sense for the people, who can currently take advantage of the IBR opportunity, but there is no way such a program can continue at the rate that it will increase over the next few years. Further, there is no way that enrollment will increase given that and the increasingly well-known paucity of job opportunities for law grads. Just look at this article in the AP entitled "Law schools lure fewer students as jobs dry up": http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTGw2uqpboSjnNoVCh93wfVFxA5g?docId=c2464d41b3f2490a98eadd8d5f0d371cAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-87151007273297325832011-09-20T12:34:31.529-07:002011-09-20T12:34:31.529-07:00Wow--lots of interesting ideas in both the main en...Wow--lots of interesting ideas in both the main entry and comments. I definitely agree that there are numerous structural problems affecting legal education. One of those problems is that very few academics or policymakers study the business of law. There are notable exceptions, but relatively few law professors study the career paths of lawyers, the economics of providing legal services to different types of clients, or innovative ways to provide those services. Professors of economics, sociology, and business, likewise, do relatively little work related to the business of law. Contrast that to the amount of work done on the economics of delivering health care services.<br /><br />This may sound like a typical pointy-headed professor observation: Let’s turn the whole problem into a subject of academic research and publish more papers! But I hope it’s not that. One of my many concerns about the legal market is that we have so many un/underemployed lawyers and so many unmet legal needs—even among people and companies who could afford to pay something for legal services. Oversupply combined with unmet demand means there is something seriously wrong with our business models. That’s a problem, not just for law grads, but for potential clients. And since we are a highly autonomous, self regulated profession, only we (including both academics and practitioners) can solve those problems. To me, the transparency issue is both critically important in its own right and part of even larger structural problems in the delivery of legal services—problems we should try to address more systematically as a profession.<br /><br />I taught a seminar last year on the business of law, and I’d be happy to send the syllabus to anyone who is interested in teaching in this area (it’s a good subject for both practitioner adjuncts and full-time profs) or in seeing some of the studies that do exist. The syllabus reflects just one of many models for teaching a course like this. This spring, I’m considering teaching the seminar in a different way: I may start with some of the studies on lawyer career paths, as well as the LST white paper, and then ask each student to do a paper that explores what alumni of our school have done in their careers. The students could survey a number of alumni in a particular area or do in-depth interviews with a smaller number; papers might focus on particular practice areas, demographic groups, or issues (e.g., what impact have loans had, how do you balance work/family, etc). If others are interested in teaching a similar type of seminar, I’d love to share ideas, brainstorm structure, etc. This type of seminar might provide the seeds for future, more expansive studies of the profession. There is already some excellent work in the field to build upon. I’m at merritt.52@osu.edu. Thanks, DebbyDeborah Jones Merritthttp://moritzlaw.osu.edu/faculty/bios.php?ID=38noreply@blogger.com