tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post7085178281105207552..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: The working lifeLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18795496384957255872012-11-01T16:05:45.328-07:002012-11-01T16:05:45.328-07:00You should write an article on a directly analogou...You should write an article on a directly analogous logical disconnect related to the job placement rate for law graduates in Ontario. In Ontario, after students graduate law school and pass the bar, there is an additional licensing requirement that they "article" (apprentice) with a lawyer or law firm for 10 months. While job placement rates in Ontario aren't nearly as abysmal as in the U.S., the situation is bad enough that the Law Society of Upper Canada commissioned a report to find ways to deal with "the articling crisis." Essentially, the report recommended that articling stay in place with the caveat that there be a professional training course that students could take as an alternative if they couldn't find articling positions. <br /><br />The alternative suggestion was that articling should be done away with since its so hard to get an articling job.<br /><br />What does any of that have to do with the fact that there are too many students for too few jobs? Exactly nothing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18673981130467677452012-11-01T10:02:01.552-07:002012-11-01T10:02:01.552-07:00Wooo, yeah, I'm going to put the law school de...Wooo, yeah, I'm going to put the law school death watch list on Intrade!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78211091909515891942012-10-31T16:18:01.641-07:002012-10-31T16:18:01.641-07:00It's all hype - what's the tally, like 60 ...It's all hype - what's the tally, like 60 deaths? You have more people dying on the freeways during rush hour. <br /><br />As for the painter, I hope that the entire force of that hurricane is localized in his closet, and focused completely on his law diploma. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-66696954132287755552012-10-31T15:50:53.342-07:002012-10-31T15:50:53.342-07:00"UC Hastings"
I have Hastings as the mo..."UC Hastings"<br /><br />I have Hastings as the most likely top 50 to fold. Despite being a public uni, it's a stand alone, and Cali already has five other law schools that are higher ranked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22936952939740150822012-10-31T13:42:37.842-07:002012-10-31T13:42:37.842-07:00PRO-TIP:
*UC Hastings held a networking event las...PRO-TIP:<br /><br />*UC Hastings held a networking event last week with career services staff in which they were telling students to expect 1 YEAR OF UNEMPLOYMENT POST-GRADUATION AND ASSURING STUDENTS THAT EMPLOYMENT WAS VERY NEARLY 100% AFTER THAT YEAR.<br /><br />RETENTION FRAUD.<br /><br />*UC Hastings is offering debt counseling to students where they push IBR WITHOUT telling students the "cancelled" balances are taxed as ordinary income. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-17311341448202082392012-10-31T00:40:01.059-07:002012-10-31T00:40:01.059-07:00"I swear on the life I will never have, I wil..."I swear on the life I will never have, I will shut that school down."<br /><br />Awesome, more people need to do this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51172416005177725452012-10-30T22:13:17.620-07:002012-10-30T22:13:17.620-07:00Take a cue from your parents and PROTEST. Why? Bec...Take a cue from your parents and PROTEST. Why? Because Congress will 'come to Jesus' and write-down the extortion from an illegal price-fixed market and FRAUD? No. REVENGE. There's so much good data out there now from reliable sources. My friends and I are going to print up the unflattering facts floating around about my law school, create a professional-looking pamphlet with cites to relevant sources, hoist my tits out a button down shirt and distribute them in front of my law school on admitted students day. "Carthage must be destroyed." I swear on the life I will never have, I will shut that school down. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80147901276432045632012-10-30T15:05:19.219-07:002012-10-30T15:05:19.219-07:00"I live abroad and am avoiding my debts.
It&..."I live abroad and am avoiding my debts.<br /><br />It's not as easy as it sounds."<br /><br />I guess it all depends on the country and the type of work. I had a couple of friends who headed off to Asia. Initially it was to teach ESL, now they both have Uni jobs teaching other subjects. They haven't had to make a single payment on their loans since they left (the government even covers the interest for the first three years) and in 10 years all will be forgiven. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18046856114119571392012-10-30T11:13:07.012-07:002012-10-30T11:13:07.012-07:00Prof. Madison's curriculum change is akin to t...Prof. Madison's curriculum change is akin to the Lusitania coming to the aid of the Titanic. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21864197287303683702012-10-30T11:07:45.973-07:002012-10-30T11:07:45.973-07:00At 2:48:
You are being sarcastic, right? Please ...At 2:48:<br /><br />You are being sarcastic, right? Please tell me you don't think "law and anything" is actually marketable (beyound Starbucks and Target). I'm just not getting the joke, right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79373417502930987542012-10-30T07:30:32.769-07:002012-10-30T07:30:32.769-07:00I live abroad and am avoiding my debts.
It's ...I live abroad and am avoiding my debts.<br /><br />It's not as easy as it sounds.<br /><br />Unless you are married to a local or are sponsored for employment by a local business, it is difficult to obtain a visa that allows you to legally work. People like me string together tourist and visitor visas (which becomes a pain) and work under the radar (which makes you paranoid).<br /><br />You can't apply for a job with the local office of a Fortune 1000 firm. They run credit checks and will reject you when your US claims and judgments pop up. And, as I said, you usually don't have the right visa to be hired.<br /><br />Fleeing abroad can be done, but it's difficult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21901830793071074822012-10-30T05:40:41.193-07:002012-10-30T05:40:41.193-07:00"More of us need to stop fucking paying!"..."More of us need to stop fucking paying!"<br /><br />It's easier than you think:<br /><br />(1) Teaching qualifies for the 10yr IBR program.<br />(2) Working overseas allows you to use the foreign income exclusion.<br /><br />So, teach overseas (usually means ESL, but other more interesting positions can be found).<br /><br />This. Your pain is self-imposed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63139681108081133372012-10-30T03:32:38.377-07:002012-10-30T03:32:38.377-07:00"However, even with the best curricular refor..."However, even with the best curricular reforms, law schools will have to close. A lot of them."<br /><br />This, and tuition, are really all that matters. <br /><br />We are churning out about twice as many lawyers each year as there are law jobs. And to add insult to injury, we are charging for a legal degree as if all of these jobs are going to be paying six-digit Biglaw salaries, when in fact only about 10% or less actually will.<br /><br />There are only two "reforms" that actually matter -- (1) the bottom 100 schools need to be closed, and (2) of the remaining schools, the lower ranked ones should be charging less than $20,000 per year to correlate with the money grads will actually be making.<br /><br />Will either of these happen... not a chance. Instead, we will have students paying $40-50,000 to spend a semester in Brazil, or to do volunteer legal work somewhere, and Cooley will open another campus in an underserved community.Deannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73431557923931335212012-10-30T03:07:49.407-07:002012-10-30T03:07:49.407-07:00I was not impressed with Madison’s blog post. Howe...I was not impressed with Madison’s blog post. However, I think that practical training (which is apparently not what Madison means by “client-centered”) could bring down the cost of legal education if it involved replacing six-figure salaried law professors with adjunct practitioners, paid by the course. <br /><br />I once worked for an office that ran a very well-regarded clinic in our practice area at a nearby law school (the head of the office held adjunct rank, and some of the staff attorneys acted as supervisors). Our only compensation was on-campus parking privileges. <br /><br />I also think a practical training model has the potential to provide graduates with the experience, confidence, and local contacts to represent clients upon bar admission. No, I do not think that they will make a living as solos, absent big foundation and government grants to provide for legal representation of low income nonindigents, and/or readily available court-appointed work (which I favor, even if prospects look bleak now). However, maybe recent grads would be able to earn enough money doing small law to recoup what they borrowed to pay for law school. Otherwise, the median return on a law degree, when document review dries up, is likely to be zero. <br /><br />At any rate, a law degree would no longer be despised by nonlegal employers because it would represent a bundle of skills rather than, as now, a bundle of elite expectations.<br /><br />I am not especially impressed by what I read about trendsetters W&L and NYU’s third year practicums, or whatever they call it. Picking and choosing an externship or two from a menu of options during third year is not going to provide real training, and charging full tuition for the experience seems like an additional insult to the students. I would have law students pick a specialization-- family law, criminal, housing, personal injury, whatever-- at the end of first year. The following two years would be a series of externships and clinics in that speciality alone. Law school would be a modified and structured version of the old apprenticeship model that managed to produce Abraham Lincoln, Clarence Darrow, and Robert Jackson. <br /><br />However, even with the best curricular reforms, law schools will have to close. A lot of them. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-87226770864477648382012-10-30T00:55:50.073-07:002012-10-30T00:55:50.073-07:00"More of us need to stop fucking paying!"..."More of us need to stop fucking paying!"<br /><br />It's easier than you think:<br /><br />(1) Teaching qualifies for the 10yr IBR program.<br />(2) Working overseas allows you to use the foreign income exclusion.<br /><br />So, teach overseas (usually means ESL, but other more interesting positions can be found).<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-75728229967335262802012-10-30T00:02:25.834-07:002012-10-30T00:02:25.834-07:00We're already well-funded. And there are speci...We're already well-funded. And there are special lavish grants for talented new scientists, so while I'm established, I don't want to hear the whining from the ones who don't break in. Do I want more? Yes. Do I deserve it? Probably not. I got reading this because my son-in-law went to non-prestige law school. My daughter is getting a divorce. Enough said.aktualrealscientistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-17685568122088802032012-10-29T23:53:02.826-07:002012-10-29T23:53:02.826-07:006:34 here
When in human history have more,scient...6:34 here<br /> When in human history have more,scientists been funded by more money than now? Just because it's true that societies with a few scientists are better than societies with none where do you get the idea that more funding for science even for the "few" is better? What exactly have our lavishly-funded science Ivy-leauge departments come up with in the last decade? Be quick about it, and also be sure to contrast with the 1920's or 1880's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20461709526799824842012-10-29T23:31:08.835-07:002012-10-29T23:31:08.835-07:00"What next? A story about a law professor who..."What next? A story about a law professor who has likened the legal profession to a poem?" you ask.<br />----------------------------------<br /><br />"The business of the law is to make sense of the confusion of what we call human life - to reduce it to order but at the same time to give it possibility, scope, even dignity. . . But what, then, is the business of poetry? Precisely to make sense of the chaos of our lives. To create the understanding of our lives. To compose an order which the bewildered, angry heart can recognize. To imagine man."<br /><br />Archibald MacLeish (poet & law professor)Albert Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51975992185733048862012-10-29T23:23:07.155-07:002012-10-29T23:23:07.155-07:00I came up with the idea of picking peaches in exch...I came up with the idea of picking peaches in exchange for debt relief.<br /><br />That was because changing the curriculum isn't going to create any jobs or make any law student prepared for any job that would be worth the cost of attending.<br /><br />However, there are these farm laborer jobs that need doing and there are plenty of lawyers willing to shave some of their student loan debt. These lawyers will even work for free in jobs that they should be paid to do for government or even small firms, just for the chance at a job. Lessening their debt load is actually a better deal for them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81630098830243387382012-10-29T20:03:41.051-07:002012-10-29T20:03:41.051-07:00The storm affected millions of people who have mor...The storm affected millions of people who have more to worry about than posting comment on this blog. Have you seen what happened today and tonight? <br /><br />The worst of the weather forecasts was too positive.<br /><br />A lot of the country is in serious trouble right now. <br /><br />I am very lucky as I stayed at our upstate house this weekend. And, unlike last year with Irene, we had no real problems. <br /><br />And I'm posting on this blog because I need some comic relief in my life right about now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77068591820641977732012-10-29T19:55:41.767-07:002012-10-29T19:55:41.767-07:006:34--I think you are right that there is a lot of...6:34--I think you are right that there is a lot of bad science being produced. I wonder if we would be better off funding fewer scientists really well so that the good ones could actually engage in quality research? Probably not Posnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80758832134439873812012-10-29T19:52:14.189-07:002012-10-29T19:52:14.189-07:00Yo 7:47, just pay your debts, man.Yo 7:47, just pay your debts, man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-30041909407742480042012-10-29T19:47:50.771-07:002012-10-29T19:47:50.771-07:00More of us need to stop fucking paying!
While we ...More of us need to stop fucking paying!<br /><br />While we all are paying our bills and utilizing IBR and merely complaining on niche blogs that nobody outside the scam reads, the powers-that-be will continue to ignore us.<br /><br />Until the stats crossing the bean counters' desks in DC show that there's a cash flow problem, the student loan machine will continue on, fuelled by lobbyists' money and students who seem to be making ends meet.<br /><br />Money talks.<br /><br />Sadly, most of us - including me - don't want to be the first one to take a real stand. We're all a bunch of feeble whiners who can't organize ourselves and make a true statement. Instead, we sit here and complain on a blog that nobody in DC reads, just like most other student protests these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82379279607651706232012-10-29T19:41:38.269-07:002012-10-29T19:41:38.269-07:0090% of the posts here are JD Painter and his prete...90% of the posts here are JD Painter and his pretend "friend" talking to himself/themselves.<br /><br />Maybe the storm is God punishing that idiot for being such a fucking loser. It was aimed right at his house. And it would take a fucking megahurricane to shut him up for more than five minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-33425125307791557042012-10-29T19:05:37.109-07:002012-10-29T19:05:37.109-07:00It depends on which type of steel you are talking ...It depends on which type of steel you are talking about.<br /><br />http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_steel_magneticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com