tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post6093304546316352848..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Prestige factoriesLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger145125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13925204926577394212012-12-04T12:02:50.495-08:002012-12-04T12:02:50.495-08:00I have zero undergrad debt and 60K in savings. T...I have zero undergrad debt and 60K in savings. The two master's programs I am looking at are each only one year, so the opportunity costs would be low. If I cannot get into an elite law school, I am going to do that instead and start working my way up the political ladder. A politician's educational background is very important if they want to be big time. Being a state representative or city councilman isn't what I would call a political career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68313431676593618422012-12-03T03:07:53.506-08:002012-12-03T03:07:53.506-08:00"Two masters degrees from elite schools"..."Two masters degrees from elite schools"<br /><br />You should only go to school because you actually want to learn the content and advance intellectually. Wanting to go just to look smarter to other people is plain stupid. And why would you plan to do TWO masters degrees? Obviously, you're just prestige whoring. You don't belong in any grad school until you have a better reason for wanting to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36848676799244585822012-11-30T13:11:44.075-08:002012-11-30T13:11:44.075-08:00I disagree with your critique of the post. Topping...I disagree with your critique of the post. Topping out at $175K to $250K as a consultant is nothing to sneeze at. The notion that a person already on that path "needs" to become a lawyer to achieve "upward mobility" makes no sense if you subtract the prestige.Barbara Ruth Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01799097040002221934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73056909266411244332012-11-27T12:54:50.259-08:002012-11-27T12:54:50.259-08:00I don't plan to practice law for very long. ...I don't plan to practice law for very long. I am going to go directly into politics. If I do not make it very far in politics, I will figure something else out. I am not so sure about MVP. Those schools do still have some lay prestige. There have been a lot of senators with degrees from MV. I am surprised Penn has not produced a major politician in recent times. I think Columbia has a lot of lay prestige as well. Columbia will produce a major politician in the near future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13600612024017924572012-11-27T08:40:21.230-08:002012-11-27T08:40:21.230-08:00"That is not sustainable where the per capita..."That is not sustainable where the per capita income of the U.S. is approximately $48,000."<br /><br />You're wrong; please talk to somebody who knows finance.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34140696770057932022012-11-27T08:36:06.179-08:002012-11-27T08:36:06.179-08:00"When you are miserable, all this opportunity..."When you are miserable, all this opportunity costs crap does not mean a sack of beans. "<br /><br />You really don't read well, do you?<br />One of the things specifically mentioned is that the odds of you being miserable practicing law are very high, probably higher than for another consulting job.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-69022411590924964792012-11-27T08:35:07.217-08:002012-11-27T08:35:07.217-08:00I'd agree that a degree from Harvard Law Schoo...I'd agree that a degree from Harvard Law School would help a lot. But from MVP?Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53380179247732886492012-11-27T06:58:15.067-08:002012-11-27T06:58:15.067-08:00Local voters in small time elections might not car...Local voters in small time elections might not care that one has a TTT sheepskin, but for big time state wide politics it matters a lot. Do you think President Obama would have been selected for the keynote address at the 2004 DNC without his elite educational background? Of course not. His elite education is what distinguished him from all the other Senator and Presidential candidate wannabees. What do you think makes a politician special and stand out more from the other clowns?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-14630995556553170032012-11-27T06:36:52.845-08:002012-11-27T06:36:52.845-08:00Uh, why you ask?
How about, "cuz it's i...Uh, why you ask? <br /><br />How about, "cuz it's illegal" to do what you propose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81958987713026024002012-11-27T02:43:21.755-08:002012-11-27T02:43:21.755-08:00Wow, you really are an idiot. Unless you want to g...Wow, you really are an idiot. Unless you want to go the Karl Rove, professional operative or think tank route, having a career in politics means running for elections. Which means getting people to like you enough to vote for you. And voters care less about your TTT sheepskin and more about what you can actually do as a public official. And consider this: Harvard Law Review would have been worth crap if Barack Obama hadn't gained enough experience as a grassroots organizer to get elected... as a state rep. Serious about getting into politics with zero interest in practicing law? Here's a tip: join the military. Voters love vets more than they love lawyers with no experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64960682020417368512012-11-26T23:10:11.685-08:002012-11-26T23:10:11.685-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Miranda Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15123110428915801208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-33570829715697971012012-11-26T20:39:10.364-08:002012-11-26T20:39:10.364-08:00I am the "idiot consultant" that quit th...I am the "idiot consultant" that quit their job to focus on the LSAT. When you are miserable, all this opportunity costs crap does not mean a sack of beans. I would have not quit my job if I did not have a very good GPA (3.7). I just need to pair that GPA with a nice LSAT number. Like I stated in my TLS post, I will only attend law school under the following three circumstances: (1) YHSC at sticker, (2) T-14 with $(at least $60K or so depending on which T-14 it is), (3) or UT-Austin with $$ (I am from Texas-- UT has a lot of lay prestige in the state). Instead of getting a law degree, I have thought about obtaining two master's degrees from elite schools before getting into politics, but I don't think this would be as well respected as a law degree from an elite school. For someone that truly is serious about having a political career (being a state representative or city councilman does not count), it is important to get some advanced education. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-90909694129746575022012-11-26T16:08:40.171-08:002012-11-26T16:08:40.171-08:00These law schools are p1ssing on hospitality! And ...These law schools are p1ssing on hospitality! And George Hardy won't allow it!<br /><br /> http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=_OiD6IlBmtk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_OiD6IlBmtk<br /><br />TTTroll 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6659177398658696342012-11-26T14:04:08.653-08:002012-11-26T14:04:08.653-08:00Yeah he can remember that every month when he send...Yeah he can remember that every month when he sends Sallie Mae a check... which he will probably still be doing at 40.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68402690581002890782012-11-26T12:11:38.817-08:002012-11-26T12:11:38.817-08:00The temporarily unemployed hot lawyer also went to...The temporarily unemployed hot lawyer also went to Harvard. <br /><br />He worked for the firm, got fired because they could only hire one, was unemployed, worked for the states attorneys office and then the firm hired him back!<br /><br />It isn't realistic. The cases they take and try aren't realistic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32468562697148599972012-11-26T12:04:21.312-08:002012-11-26T12:04:21.312-08:00Hopefully when he is 40 he can remember that he ch...Hopefully when he is 40 he can remember that he chased prestige because he didn't want to wonder "what if" he had gone to law school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80860355831673849532012-11-26T11:19:14.377-08:002012-11-26T11:19:14.377-08:00Very true. And the sad part is, by the time he...Very true. And the sad part is, by the time he's forty he may have a much different perspective about the merits of chasing "prestige," but of course by then it may be too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79008402488300573872012-11-26T09:50:31.430-08:002012-11-26T09:50:31.430-08:00A modest proposal:
In the 3 or 4 states where &qu...A modest proposal:<br /><br />In the 3 or 4 states where "reading law" is still a path to entry into the profession, why don't more solos employ "apprentices" to supplement their incomes? This is win/win. You could charge something like $25,000 per year for 3 years from the apprentice, get free labor from your apprentice, and the apprentice would still save $100,000. Solos get income and labor, law schools get the shaft, and the apprentice might actually learn something.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44761363930541967072012-11-26T09:16:33.985-08:002012-11-26T09:16:33.985-08:00He probably doesn't speak anything but English...He probably doesn't speak anything but English and wouldn't be competitive for law school in Europe.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-52986299429910539922012-11-26T09:14:36.462-08:002012-11-26T09:14:36.462-08:00The auto worker knew that his own line of work was...The auto worker knew that his own line of work was in decline. Wanting his kids to be professionals was understandable. Unfortunately, law isn't much better than auto work these days. And a graduate of Cooley doesn't stand a chance.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32521197569178546912012-11-26T09:05:44.048-08:002012-11-26T09:05:44.048-08:00"That is not sustainable where the per capita..."That is not sustainable where the per capita income of the U.S. is approximately $48,000."<br /><br />Pretty sure that $48k is *household* income not *per capita*.<br /><br />If so, then divide the 48k by something like 2.2 to get true per capita.<br /><br />Of course, this makes everything look even *worse*.<br /><br />Which it is.cas127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-88278688249066806202012-11-26T08:51:44.135-08:002012-11-26T08:51:44.135-08:00I feel like there's even more pressure if your...I feel like there's even more pressure if your parents are professionals. Both my parents are college professors and it would be unacceptable not to go to grad school in my family. They know that there are few tenure track positions these days, so they said get a JD instead of a PhD. It is so hard to be the only one without a higher degree in your family, so it's easier to just go along with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80389723220451578192012-11-26T08:48:06.400-08:002012-11-26T08:48:06.400-08:00And he/she is entering politics a bit late. They ...And he/she is entering politics a bit late. They should just put their money where their mouth is, and go straight into politics.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64340659049098655762012-11-26T08:38:01.422-08:002012-11-26T08:38:01.422-08:00Agree. But not all debt is good, and almost all d...Agree. But not all debt is good, and almost all debt incurs interest.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5483438762125534492012-11-26T08:27:43.321-08:002012-11-26T08:27:43.321-08:00not all debt is bad and not all debt is the same.not all debt is bad and not all debt is the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com