tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post604555082966907017..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Supply or demand?LawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28003221359654497492012-12-12T04:58:14.107-08:002012-12-12T04:58:14.107-08:00"My husband is 68 and he never made enough to..."My husband is 68 and he never made enough to retire."<br /><br />What is scary about that is that her husband presumably graduated forty years ago with little or no debt. What chance does someone carrying $100K plus in debt have of planning for retirement? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9098553230773927712012-12-12T04:53:37.855-08:002012-12-12T04:53:37.855-08:00"Now, there are pre-printed forms at most, if..."Now, there are pre-printed forms at most, if not all, courthouses across the country for child support, visitation, custody, domestic abuse, change of name, adoption, criminal diversionary programs and on and on."<br /><br />In my state the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is on a mission from God to make do it yourself divorce as easy as possible, and we've reached a point where over half the divorces in the state have at least one self-represented party. Meanwhile, a friend of mine who is a clerk in criminal court says lawyers who've been practicing for 12-15 years and never handled even a parking ticket are now filing appearances in serious criminal cases with no clue what they're doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34548640001979230902012-12-11T21:10:54.807-08:002012-12-11T21:10:54.807-08:00And, if you think federal judges just sit back and...And, if you think federal judges just sit back and say, "Oh well, didn't file your brief on time, but you're the government! That's ok! I don't care!", then there is no hope for you joining reality. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-12984360406178927102012-12-11T21:09:38.877-08:002012-12-11T21:09:38.877-08:00You have no idea what you're talking about. I...You have no idea what you're talking about. I know many lawyers in many different agencies, and not one of them reflects your stereotypes. And if you had such a cushy gig at "your agency," why are you not still working there, idiot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21681210516419556312012-12-11T20:01:28.821-08:002012-12-11T20:01:28.821-08:00This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in...This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time and I worked for the government for 8 years. They can't fire you. You simply leave at 5pm and if the work doesn't get done, too bad for the government. If your boss gets upset, that's his problem. There's nothing he can do as long as you worked 40 hours (or 35) during the week. Maybe what you're complaining about is that you can't take anymore 2 hour lunches (those were very popular at my agency).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84472475625690151092012-12-11T17:58:40.770-08:002012-12-11T17:58:40.770-08:00I'm not the "elitist puke" who spoke...I'm not the "elitist puke" who spoke above, but I'm incredulous that you think someone who can't manage a GPA higher than 3.1 or an LSAT higher than 155 deserves to go to law school. Such a person has no aptitude for law school, and probably also lacks any kind of study skills or work ethic. I went to a no name college, on scholarship, studied from an LSAT bookt that I bought for 12 bucks, and still scored far, far higher than those scores. No lawyers in my family. No rich people in my family. Nothing elite about my background, unless you consider rural central PA somehow "elite." Your argument is a joke. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64931447604182364312012-12-11T17:52:42.592-08:002012-12-11T17:52:42.592-08:00You appear to be lost (i.e., you're commenting...You appear to be lost (i.e., you're commenting under the wrong post).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-42960481169529115792012-12-11T16:50:37.218-08:002012-12-11T16:50:37.218-08:00How's that giant sucking sound sounding about ...How's that giant sucking sound sounding about now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36339486275623659752012-12-11T16:46:50.635-08:002012-12-11T16:46:50.635-08:00That"s ridiculous. You must be an Ivy League...That"s ridiculous. You must be an Ivy League puke. How I loathe you elite assholes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-33030836688608867842012-12-11T15:33:54.584-08:002012-12-11T15:33:54.584-08:00Funny to note that Ms. Pierpont's advertises &...Funny to note that Ms. Pierpont's advertises "Leadership" as one of her skills on her LinkedIn profile. She began working for Cooley's admissions office immediately after graduating from the school and has no other employment history or career accomplishments. Where does she get off marketing herself a LEADER? Ridiculous.Bethany Pierpont is Garbagenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31108388060715159262012-12-11T09:49:39.303-08:002012-12-11T09:49:39.303-08:00Re: lawyers working more hours to avoid hiring mor...Re: lawyers working more hours to avoid hiring more employees, this is also true in government now. My fed. agency has been seriously understaffed due to budget shenanigans in Congress for years now. They finally hired a bunch of new people this year, but that number still hasn't made up for the number who have left, let alone the increased staffing needed due to the increased workload. I usually work 10 hour days, no lunch. Do I get overtime? Hahahaha, no! It's "do more with less" as they said on The Wire...<br /><br />(now the commenter who semi-literately screams that "anyone can get a gubmint job and pay off his/her debt in five minutes flat!" can go ahead and jump in...)<br /><br />P.S. I'm writing this on my "lunch break," aka, "scarf a sandwich at my desk."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43094884690364935622012-12-11T09:39:03.525-08:002012-12-11T09:39:03.525-08:00So Sorry, I am guessing that the reading comp port...So Sorry, I am guessing that the reading comp portion of the LSAT was not your high point.<br /><br />Hopefully you made up for that (as many of us do) with relatively higher scores in the puzzles and other sections.<br /><br />Have A Great Dane!So Sorry, I am guessing thatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79306776196261954192012-12-11T09:05:47.371-08:002012-12-11T09:05:47.371-08:00You nailed it... it really is a zit, Bluto.
You d...You nailed it... it really is a zit, Bluto.<br /><br />You didn't read the PRECEDING 2 sentences:<br /><br />"The downward trend is particularly surprising when we consider the rapid expansion of the U.S. economy during the last quarter century. Inflation-adjusted Gross Domestic Product was $6,950 billion in the fourth quarter of 1985, and $13,441 billion in the fourth quarter of 2011. "<br /><br />Still think it's just a rhetorical device to set up the next, thrilling installment? Or, perhaps, the author is laboring under the illusion that our economy is growing?<br /><br />I'm hoping my comments will enlighten the author (and readers) a bit and help make the next post a little more useful. Get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74686795398080142992012-12-11T08:42:11.166-08:002012-12-11T08:42:11.166-08:00You ask,"what is the point of writing: "...You ask,"what is the point of writing: "In an economy ... ... wouldn't we expect a need for more lawyers rather than fewer?" "<br /><br /><br />The point is, it is just a rhetorical device. It was used to set up the very next paragraph, which began:<br /><br /><br />"That is the subject of another post."<br /><br /><br />Get it?<br /><br />(Or in the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky, "It's a ZIT, get it?")It is called a rhetorical device to set up...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81401259147115225512012-12-11T08:40:44.874-08:002012-12-11T08:40:44.874-08:00No, don't make the change in bold. I don't...No, don't make the change in bold. I don't care whether they have to borrow money to do it or not: people with a 3.1/155 <i>have no business attending law school</i>.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-50705088962370099572012-12-11T08:37:53.352-08:002012-12-11T08:37:53.352-08:00What is the point of writing:
"In an economy...What is the point of writing:<br /><br />"In an economy that has more than doubled in size, grown in technological sophistication, and intertwined with economies worldwide, wouldn't we expect a need for more lawyers rather than fewer?"<br /><br />This blog isn't moot court, high school debate or Bill Clinton's perjury trial where you "win" by nitpicking everything.<br /><br />Everyone needs to understand:<br /><br />1) The economy has NOT doubled.<br />2) Technology ELIMINATES law jobs.<br />3) Globalization is REDUCING ALL employment in the US.<br /><br />Only by understanding these issues do people have a chance of avoiding a "higher education" mistake. Believing lies to justify law school is the whole problem here.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-56912666369961072082012-12-11T08:36:18.506-08:002012-12-11T08:36:18.506-08:00"On a truly open market, is there ANY interes..."On a truly open market, is there ANY interest rate that will to successfully underwrite the kids having a 3.1/155, and if not, is that an indication that they should not go to law school in any event?"<br /><br />Correction - re-write as with added bolded text... <br /><br />"On a truly open market, is there ANY interest rate that will to successfully underwrite the kids having a 3.1/155, and if not, is that an indication that they should not <b>be borrowing money to</b> go to law school in any event?"Anonymous from 7:05, 8:32noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70658753940282374352012-12-11T08:32:49.774-08:002012-12-11T08:32:49.774-08:00Did you miss the next line? You know, that part a...Did you miss the next line? You know, that part about "LS tuitions would plummet".<br /><br />Which they would. If the spigot runs to a $20K trickle, tuition would drop.<br /><br />How much? Dunno. Precipitously is a guess.<br /><br />In addition - reinstate BK protections.<br /><br />Now your questions in relation to "how is someone supposed to find a way to pay" become, <br /><br />"On a truly open market, what interest rate does it require to successfully underwrite the kids having a 3.1/155, compared to the kids with a 3.8/168?"<br /><br />and<br /><br />"On a truly open market, is there ANY interest rate that will to successfully underwrite the kids having a 3.1/155, and if not, is that an indication that they should not go to law school in any event?"Anonymous from 7:05noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64745399630668657582012-12-11T08:25:19.345-08:002012-12-11T08:25:19.345-08:00(upthread) "The key ... : there's a money...(upthread) "The key ... : there's a moneyed aristocracy that keeps others from advancing."<br /><br /><br />Huh. That sure doesn't explain how I dragged myself up out of the gutter to become the master of all I survey.<br /><br /><br />OTOH, I do suffer from extreme myopia.School of Hard Knocksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29961548953232772652012-12-11T08:22:29.757-08:002012-12-11T08:22:29.757-08:00"Agree with 8:11. "
All right-thinking ..."Agree with 8:11. "<br /><br />All right-thinking people do. :-)<br /><br />You bring up messy files. 10 years ago it was, "Lawyers are NOT permitted in the files room". <br /><br />Now it's DIY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35239305854975441312012-12-11T08:14:44.562-08:002012-12-11T08:14:44.562-08:00I'm not convinced that it's "the smar...I'm not convinced that it's "the smartest people". The key above is "them and their children": there's a moneyed aristocracy that keeps others from advancing.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55729389273305139222012-12-11T08:14:03.339-08:002012-12-11T08:14:03.339-08:00Agree with 8:11. The modus operandi at all law fi...Agree with 8:11. The modus operandi at all law firms I've seen has been to cut lawyers and cut support staff. "Make do" without a para and secretary. You can type, more things are "electronic."<br /><br />When the file's a mess, it's your fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22608679296222985572012-12-11T08:11:36.976-08:002012-12-11T08:11:36.976-08:00Nope. Staff has been similarly reduced.Nope. Staff has been similarly reduced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32016839032930932562012-12-11T08:09:41.651-08:002012-12-11T08:09:41.651-08:00And how exactly is someone supposed to "find ...And how exactly is someone supposed to "find a way to pay" a quarter of a million dollars?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24462444831019246172012-12-11T08:09:35.036-08:002012-12-11T08:09:35.036-08:00"...to argue that because our economy is now ...<i>"...to argue that because our economy is now "intertwined" with global economies, we should expect a greater need for lawyers is to completely miss the point of globalization for America. "</i><br /><br />I'd say that be careful of characterizing a rhetorical question as if it were an argument.<br /><br /><br />But don't misunderstand me - no complaint with the main bulk of your commentary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com