tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post5851079436940365927..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Angry Law School Admissions GuyLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger168125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6381432188178667592011-09-19T12:21:43.683-07:002011-09-19T12:21:43.683-07:00True, it's just that some people here who have...True, it's just that some people here who have clearly never heard of the Goldilocks principle have labelled anything but violent action the behaviour of 'pussies'.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80060638403550851132011-09-19T12:16:55.301-07:002011-09-19T12:16:55.301-07:00Protests have their place and non-protest actions ...Protests have their place and non-protest actions also have their place. One does not preclude the other. The petition is just a start but doesn't mean other actions can't be considered as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35405256492403542672011-09-19T11:10:40.647-07:002011-09-19T11:10:40.647-07:00I just explained to you why the protests were not ...I just explained to you why the protests were not a failure. The only failure is your pathetic and frightened blogging life. They completely blocked brown's desire to raise tuitions to 21000 pounds and forced a very generous verdion of ibr. Meanwhile you wrote a dumbblog that no one reads or cares about. Show respect for people who sacrificed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26203057315923909452011-09-19T06:50:16.607-07:002011-09-19T06:50:16.607-07:00Right, only getting charged 9,000 quid a year in a...Right, only getting charged 9,000 quid a year in a country where, less than twenty years ago, the government paid people a living wage to go to university and your main demand was for a return to that situation, is a 'victory'.<br /><br />Student loans are also nothing new. They were the original replacement for the grant, and have simply been increased as fees increase - and have never needed to be paid back until earnings exceed a certain level.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Charlie Gilmore is going to jail for attacking the UK's main war memorial, and the idiots who went after Prince Charles and smashed up the HQ of the Conservative Party got pretty much the same treatment. The leaders of the student union, ot the other hand, go directly into the ranks of the Labour party on graduation where some how they manage to forget what exactly it was they were in favour of whilst they were at university.<br /><br />Epic Direct Action Fail.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81584832957598261082011-09-19T04:09:30.894-07:002011-09-19T04:09:30.894-07:00Video of Prince Charles's car getting attacked...Video of Prince Charles's car getting attacked in the UK by students protesting tuitions:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOJn2LUPy4<br /><br />Meanwhile, you people are too scared to confront professors with a petition asking to report honest, non-fraudulent, job placement numbers. Over there the damn Prince is fearing for his life and you guys can't muster the courage to ask for something that's indisputably within your rights!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10840996393157058352011-09-19T04:03:15.033-07:002011-09-19T04:03:15.033-07:00Here's a history of the student battles in the...Here's a history of the student battles in the UK over tuition.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_fees_in_the_United_Kingdom#Timeline<br /><br />Admittedly the most recent event (an increase in the maximum tuition from 3,000 pounds to 9,000 pounds in 2010) was a serious defeat for the students as they saw their tuitions tripled. But the protests worked in the sense that Brown didn't get the maximum of 21,000 pounds (still less than American tuitions) that he wanted. Further the government created a UK version of IBR that is far more generous than the American one, to quote: "No one will contribute until they can afford to do so – when they are in well paid jobs...The graduate contribution system that we have designed will protect the lowest earning graduates and ensure that their contributions are linked to their ability to pay; indeed, under our new more progressive repayment system, 25%, maybe as many as 30% according to the IFS, of graduates with the lowest lifetime earnings will pay back less than they do now."<br /><br />You are correct though, that protests aren't a guaranteed way to win and end the law school scam. However, I'd say they worked in the UK more than they did not. If we had such protests here over the past 30 years you wouldn't see some tier 3 sh*thole charging $50,000 per year (31,000 pounds per year).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63828657555381213252011-09-19T03:54:38.621-07:002011-09-19T03:54:38.621-07:00"Although, thinking about it now, and how sma..."Although, thinking about it now, and how small the amounts would be, it may have the opposite effect. No transparency and all we lose is a measly $1,000?"<br /><br />If you have $1,000 to donate to your undergrad, then you have no idea what the lives of people scammed by law school is like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78226515322661618372011-09-19T03:52:19.831-07:002011-09-19T03:52:19.831-07:00So in summary FOARP,
Demonstrations are bad becau...So in summary FOARP,<br /><br />Demonstrations are bad because they "don't work" in England. You know, for something that doesn't work it's been damn effective in getting the politicians' attention over there. The most recent batch gave the country a serious black mark on the world's stage. I'm in America and I know all about the education issues in the UK (I especially recall the protest where the kids attacked Prince Charles's car), and in the UK tuitions are extremely subsidized and nothing compared to the gouging you see here, and as you yourself admitted, UK legal education is a model for American legal education with their apprenticeship model, but oh no the UK student demonstrations are an example of protests "not working."<br /><br />However, what does work - according to you - is not donating the money we don't have and telling the school about that. "Hey, my life's been financially ruined as a result of your scam but you just f*cked yourself I'm not going to donate money I don't have to you. You only get that $150,000 you already stole from me." Yeah that will work.<br /><br />What the hell is wrong with you?<br /><br />Something tells me while the courageous kids demonstrated in the UK you were at home playing world of warcraft, or whatever cowardly and sad activity you use to pass the time as other people do things that matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32607134099039089012011-09-19T00:53:26.459-07:002011-09-19T00:53:26.459-07:00RE: Direct action. I've seen a few people refe...RE: Direct action. I've seen a few people refering to the direct action (demos, occupations, etc.) conducted by students, especially those in the UK, as an example of how to address education issues in the US. My advice is that to do so would be foolish.<br /><br />Student demonstrations, some of which have turned violent, have been a yearly event at my undergraduate university (Sussex University) since student fees were introduced in 1998. They have done everything from smashing up the administration building, to cream-pieing the Prime Minister's wife when she came to visit campus (something that got the students responsible expelled). They have acheived absolutely nothing in all that time, nor, realistically speaking, could they.<br /><br />They never presented reasonable demands that anyone could have met, and were anyway opposing government policy that the voters had voted for in multiple elections.<br /><br />Sure, occupying buildings and smashing things up may appeal to a certain kind of person, but as a way of getting things changed, it sucks.<br /><br />@BL1Y's suggestion is definitely a runner - why donate to people who misled you?Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-41406125438348134862011-09-18T21:57:04.162-07:002011-09-18T21:57:04.162-07:00I know this is wrong article but I wanted to share...I know this is wrong article but I wanted to share what I sent Dean Gormley, as I hope he responds to my email eventually.<br /><br />Dean Gormley,<br /><br />I am a former law student that read your article entitled "The law school numbers game" and felt the urge to address some points you asserted.<br /><br />To start, it is imperative that you realize the extent of the situation that law schools have collectively fostered and exacerbated. The problems associated with massive student loan debt and unemployment do not begin and end with law schools obviously, but law schools are certainly among the most significant contributors. The situation is as such Dean Gormley; young men and women of intelligence are being led towards disillusionment with authority, endless despair that sometimes develops into mental disorders for which there is no money to seek medical attention, restructuring of familial and societal choices that will detrimentally reshape this country, and in some cases, suicide. I noted that the comments in your article failed to address any of these extremely serious issues.<br /><br />With that said, some of the specific comments you make in your article are nothing short of either shameless misrepresentation or self-serving lies. The mere fact that you believe that the majority of law students are turning down or not pursuing employment as JAG attorneys or any other related legal job that pays within the vicinity of $60,000 per year clearly displays your willful disregard for alleviating the very situation described above and effectively performs the function of insulting the intelligence of law students as a whole. In addition, you mention that a graduate of your law school is employed as the president of the Pittsburgh Steelers while another is an executive at a major corporation, etc. In the process, you neglect to mention their background prior to law school. This is misrepresentation of the legal opportunities that your law school affords it's students and a classic rehash of the "just work hard and you'll get there" mantra that has been quickly evaporating as more student loans are going into default and the economy, especially the legal economy, continues to flatter. (http://www.smartmoney.com/borrow/student-loans/for-student-borrowers-a-hard-truth-1316118955339/?grcc=88888&mod=WSJ_hps_sections_personalfinance).<br /><br />It is simply a sad state of affairs when students cannot even trust educational institutions anymore, the supposed bastions of truth and understanding. From what I have been able to discern, you provide little truth and lack even a barebones understanding of the the serious dilemmas facing recent law graduates. I sincerely hope that you understand the weight of your actions and the true extent of the detriment schools, including your own, are sowing upon the future of this country. It is apparent to many, myself included, that somewhere along the vast meandering journey of life, you lost a fragment of your humanity and are now a vessel for the immorality that law schools hypocritically condemn.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />[redacted]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-46173362166833818572011-09-18T20:40:08.082-07:002011-09-18T20:40:08.082-07:00Alumni donations are a big chunk of a school's...Alumni donations are a big chunk of a school's funding.<br /><br />If you tell them school "I would have sent you this check, but because of your failure to act on X, Y, Z issues, I have decided this other institution would make better use if the money," it gives the failures a more tangible cost.<br /><br />Although, thinking about it now, and how small the amounts would be, it may have the opposite effect. No transparency and all we lose is a measly $1,000? Cost of doing business!<br /><br />It may be better to just send a letter saying that you're not donating, and why, and not mention the amount. They may imagine a bigger number than what you had intended.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22446016162610493622011-09-18T20:22:42.274-07:002011-09-18T20:22:42.274-07:00BL1Y:
If you're an alumn, the most powerful me...BL1Y:<br />If you're an alumn, the most powerful message you can send is your complaint about the law school, along with a copy of a cancelled check you made to your undergrad.<br /><br />Could you elaborate on this thought when you get a chance?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-52768751075882380072011-09-18T17:42:42.236-07:002011-09-18T17:42:42.236-07:005:02,
I want to point out that I understand your ...5:02,<br /><br />I want to point out that I understand your anger. I also agree that people have to do more than just write anonymous commentary to effect real change in the system. <br /><br />But staging a protest at a law school (presumably one's alma mater) is not going to accomplish anything. The school's administration is doing what it's doing to protect its USNWR ranking and consequently, the value of the law degree it confers. <br /><br />Let's say you can stage a protest and the Dean will make some kind of change. Guess what will happen - most likely the school's ranking will drop and a few months later, the dean will resign after getting angry phone calls from his higher ups, alumni and law students. <br /><br />One determined person can spark a paradigm shift. However, he must position himself correctly before he can do so. This is why I think that protests, sit-ins, symbolic diploma sales on eBay and hunger strikes (anyone remember this one?) are not going to cut it. <br /><br />There are many forces at work here. I suggest focusing on the person who can most easily affect change. Like Bob Morse?RLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73996501227779058332011-09-18T17:27:20.408-07:002011-09-18T17:27:20.408-07:00Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating th...Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating the same message over and over and go to your nearest law school and go off on everyone. Stop waiting for someone else to do it. We're waiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11892384349469250892011-09-18T17:26:10.576-07:002011-09-18T17:26:10.576-07:00I'm trying to show you that "intelligent ...I'm trying to show you that "intelligent discussion" is worth nothing without in real life action. You have a petition, you have right to demand that it be signed, and you have a right to know which professors aren't going to sign it. So why aren't you confronting these professors about it in real life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39991335952413398922011-09-18T17:25:53.755-07:002011-09-18T17:25:53.755-07:00@5:24 - who cares? Stop living for someone else.....@5:24 - who cares? Stop living for someone else....and the Leiters of the world have been laughing for quite some time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51260513469960609012011-09-18T17:25:01.568-07:002011-09-18T17:25:01.568-07:00Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating th...Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating the same message over and over and go to your nearest law school and go off on everyone. Stop waiting for someone else to do it. We're waiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-91102908976629380692011-09-18T17:24:49.947-07:002011-09-18T17:24:49.947-07:00The steroids guy has almost single-handedly ruined...The steroids guy has almost single-handedly ruined the comment threads on this blog as a forum for intelligent discussion. Things are going downhill fast and the Leiters of the world are laughing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7835167049870411092011-09-18T17:23:46.374-07:002011-09-18T17:23:46.374-07:00Lord of the Rings fan, let me ask you a question, ...Lord of the Rings fan, let me ask you a question, when the crew went on to achieve whatever goal they had, did they (a) Go out into some REAL WORLD quest, or (b) post a bunch of blogs on the internet? I haven't seen the movie, but from what I can tell they're not sitting at their computers. Something tells me that wouldn't have gotten the stolen ring back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89931130676693523152011-09-18T17:23:20.353-07:002011-09-18T17:23:20.353-07:00Stop it all of you.Stop it all of you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04034378179943090607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-85701962762368083362011-09-18T17:22:03.521-07:002011-09-18T17:22:03.521-07:00Hell yes!! Lets go! Lets do it for ponyboy!! Gi...Hell yes!! Lets go! Lets do it for ponyboy!! Give me your name and number and Ill be right over....who do you want to go after first?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77055023214770798382011-09-18T17:19:04.155-07:002011-09-18T17:19:04.155-07:00Will you go with me to a protest 5:18?Will you go with me to a protest 5:18?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45594129918492050072011-09-18T17:18:24.296-07:002011-09-18T17:18:24.296-07:00Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating th...Dude, stop sitting online obsessively repeating the same message over and over and go to your nearest law school and go off on everyone. Stop waiting for someone else to do it. We're waiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26465943918428593802011-09-18T17:17:26.647-07:002011-09-18T17:17:26.647-07:00What is that the Dungeons and Dragons movie? Wow. ...What is that the Dungeons and Dragons movie? Wow. You people are so sad. You know what. Never mind. You people will never have the courage to look someone in the eye in real life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26984887200978941232011-09-18T17:15:07.961-07:002011-09-18T17:15:07.961-07:00Right, and apparently the only way to be a man wit...Right, and apparently the only way to be a man with a backbone is to go around making explicit or implicit threats about a petition...<br /><br />I'm pretty sure that...well, I'll let Sauruman say it:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEcBL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.com