tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post5120934117735636210..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Character and fitnessLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13094222265563282532012-08-13T11:44:37.025-07:002012-08-13T11:44:37.025-07:00I_care!!I_care!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28955945006660014792012-08-13T07:39:03.929-07:002012-08-13T07:39:03.929-07:00@7.03 - They may require, but requiring and readin...@7.03 - They may require, but requiring and reading properly are two different things. At any rate, the instances where it becomes publicly known are usually where there's resume fraud AND the hiree turns out to be a lemon. Example -<br /><br />http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/04/transcript-lies.html<br /><br />Note that the fraud here would apparently have been obvious had anyone looked closely (at least, I think I'd spot a whited-out typed-in figure), that he only got caught due to lying and then telling the truth, that apparently everything would be gravy if he had simply passed the bar.<br /><br />PS - the guy I discussed above has a long list of former customers, including some pretty big ones which were a bit naive when they first entered China, none of whom seem to have done proper DD before hiring him. <br /><br />RE: the handle, it's a reference to the Public Enemy tune, something that came up in a conversation with an artist friend back in my China days. Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64784283261591455242012-08-13T07:03:24.095-07:002012-08-13T07:03:24.095-07:00@ FOARP - Thanks. Okay, maybe in outer Mongolia i...@ FOARP - Thanks. Okay, maybe in outer Mongolia it works (and I don't doubt it does).<br /><br />But does <b>any US</b> law firm or company hiring a lawyer fail to require transcripts? <br /><br />P.S. Always wondered why your handle tends to indicate fear of Mars?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80897225655483228152012-08-13T04:49:14.101-07:002012-08-13T04:49:14.101-07:00Sigh.
I go out of my way to be a straight shooter...Sigh.<br /><br />I go out of my way to be a straight shooter with my clients, and I lose out to bullshit artists all the time.<br /><br />Clients hire the person who tells them what they want to hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3604758769305909432012-08-13T02:03:00.772-07:002012-08-13T02:03:00.772-07:00@6.09 - If they bother to check. I happen to know ...@6.09 - If they bother to check. I happen to know of someone who goes around China, Mongolia, and a few other countries telling people he's a lawyer (or accountatn depending on the situation) when actually he never even finished high school. <br /><br />It's amazing how many people fail to do the most basic DD on him. All they need to do is just Google the guy's name and you can know all about him. But time after time they fail to do this.<br /><br />Since he isn't a member of any professional organisation he's not subject to sanction from them. Within reason the authorities don't care - all he's doing is taking business and then funneling it to local attorneys and accountants whilst taking a healthy slice off the top for doing exactly nothing. If he does mess up, he stays mobile enough to prevent people catching up with him, so he's pretty much invulnerable. <br /><br />I was sure that the guy was toast a few years back when he published a faked interview with the head of the Chinese banking and regulatory commission. He was openly offering clients the opportunity to give him questions to ask officials in confidence, then showing up at meet-'n-greets to have his photo taken with the relevant officials as 'evidence' of his exculsive contacts. <br /><br />Nope. He announced his resignation as president of his company to settle official ire, and then didn't, you know, resign. Somehow he still keeps ahead of things - I don't know how.<br /><br />Basically, done correctly, straight-up resume fraud pays - but if you're going to fake, you've got to fake big. Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-88610195221585805532012-08-12T18:09:39.043-07:002012-08-12T18:09:39.043-07:00"Have any unemployed and desperate students t..."Have any unemployed and desperate students thought of just lying about their class rank on their resume? "<br /><br />To what end? If it gets you in the door, you'll still have to supply transcripts prior to beginning employ. One glance at your transcript will give the lie to your resume, and now you're out the door - with prejudice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-12167531130885789022012-08-12T18:03:25.057-07:002012-08-12T18:03:25.057-07:003:19 on 11 Aug, "Naturally, your problems are...3:19 on 11 Aug, "Naturally, your problems are as bad or worse as everyone else's. The world revolves around you, after all."<br /><br />Wow, pot/kettle, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-56684213619361165922012-08-12T12:26:09.455-07:002012-08-12T12:26:09.455-07:00The Counterculture Icons, The Jefferson Airplane B...The Counterculture Icons, The Jefferson Airplane Band, sang:<br /><br />"All of your private property is the target for your enemy. And you know the enemy is we."<br /><br />Jefferson Airplane sang at the dirty rolling in the dirt and rocks or stones of the Boomer Religious festival also known as woodstock.<br /><br />And what better way to take away all hope of owning private property than by placing all the generations after the dirty hippies deep in debt, and to a government and for life?<br /><br />The selfish and mean spirited Liberals and the Counterculture want to enslave people, if not kill them all off by abortion, one way or another.<br /><br />Of course the hippie communists do have property, which is what they intended all along: to be a communistic elite class and to dominate everyone else.<br /><br />Woodstock was Social Marxism and a means towards turning America into a Socialist if not Communistic country.<br /><br />And Janis Joplin sang about wanting to own a Mercedes Benz. Well, in retrospect, she was damn serious. <br /><br />Imagine there are no countries, just a lot of cruel boomers pulling all the strings.<br /><br />It isn't hard to do.<br /><br />Boomers are really bad in a moral sense. They disrespected their parents and have no respect for the generations that came after them.<br /><br />All satire BTW :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23626529504074093322012-08-12T11:22:26.272-07:002012-08-12T11:22:26.272-07:00The dividing line in the legal profession vis-à-vi...The dividing line in the legal profession vis-à-vis job security is around the class of 1988-89. The first real sign of the crash was in 1991-2 and those that were safely into their 3rd year of practice did ok, but the classes of '91, '91 and '93 were the first to see mass layoffs, empty OCI and evaporating job offers. There have been some spurts of recovery (hence the briefly lived Greedy Associate phenomenon), but the recovery has always run smack into the growing number of law graduates even from the top tier schools.<br /><br />Before 1991 you did not see the boiler rooms of contract attorneys, there were a good few public jobs to get trained in as well as the firms. After 1991 ... The growth has been dramatic of 203 law schools - 20 law schools were accredited 2000, 18 in the 90s, 13 in the 80s, 29 in the 70s, 18 in the 60s. Fully half the law schools in the US opened in the last 50 years. Some 35,000 JDs were awarded in 1980 - almost 50,000 are awarded per year now. <br /><br />It took from about 1980-1991 for the lawyer over-production to really begin to hit the profession - by 1991 there were about 100,000 surplus JDs extant - i.e., people of working age who had qualified in the last decade. Since then things have just gotten steadily worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49788388761066267272012-08-12T10:59:40.803-07:002012-08-12T10:59:40.803-07:00"Of the monstrous neglect of Higher Education..."Of the monstrous neglect of Higher Education in America, and the disregard of it as a means of forming good or bad citizens, and miserable or happy men and women, the law school cartel has, for the last twenty years, afforded a noteable example."<br /><br />Law school academics and personnel are ignorant, sordid, and brutal people, to whom few considerate persons would have trusted the education of a horse or a dog.<br /><br />As for absurdidy and magnificent laissez-aller neglect, the criminal negligence of the baby bommer generation of key law school people has rarely been exceeded in the history of the world.<br /><br /><br />Charles Dickens<br />Nicholas NicklebyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-40257930446911754172012-08-12T10:34:57.532-07:002012-08-12T10:34:57.532-07:00The law schools think it's pretty
and neat
to ...The law schools think it's pretty<br />and neat<br />to gobble on the lending teat;<br />to know that half the student body<br />ne'er will buy <br />a pissin' potty.<br /><br />To ride the lending gravy train<br />on tracks<br />across young trusting debtor's backs.<br /><br />And every academic huffer<br />and every self important puffer<br />sucks upon on the Federal Tit<br />and not one<br />nor all<br />cares a whit<br /><br />as suicidal debtor's suffer.<br /><br />Crimes against humanity <br />surely these must be.<br />Twas the Boomers made the institutions<br />irresponsibly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11758210987206330542012-08-12T10:08:29.616-07:002012-08-12T10:08:29.616-07:00I'm a proud lazy do-nothing bum, that graduate...I'm a proud lazy do-nothing bum, that graduated before 2006. I got medicore grades in law school. Now, I don't do shit for my six figure fed job. Life is great...can't wait to pull in a pension in my mid forties and retire to some Carribean island.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19810267062415008692012-08-12T07:59:25.115-07:002012-08-12T07:59:25.115-07:00I'm an inherently lazy, do-nothing bum, but I ...I'm an inherently lazy, do-nothing bum, but I still feel okay criticizing law schools because the very first page of their glossy marketing materials reads "Hey inherently lazy, do-nothing bums, here's a great opportunity for you!"BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63688961176760711052012-08-12T07:51:28.925-07:002012-08-12T07:51:28.925-07:00@7:16 I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I'm ...@7:16 I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I'm one of the lucky ones. I worked at a six figure BigCorp nonlaw job while attending law school on a full ride merit scholarship to a TTTT school and on top of that got paid via GI Bill to attend. Graduated top 10 and interned at the most prestigious boutique IP law shop in town. My only complaint is that there are no jobs for those of us who graduated after 2006, so I have to be content making a very good living in my original non-legal profession.<br /><br />I practice law as a hobby now like most people golf, learn basketweaving, etc... Good times, good times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31223679772920704382012-08-12T07:16:24.080-07:002012-08-12T07:16:24.080-07:00^ 53 whiny do-nothing bums who want to blame law s...^ 53 whiny do-nothing bums who want to blame law school for their inherent laziness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68745993473130414822012-08-12T06:22:29.378-07:002012-08-12T06:22:29.378-07:00As someone who lives in a neighborhood populated b...As someone who lives in a neighborhood populated by wealthy lawyers, doctors and bankers, I can tell you what the lawyers all have in common:<br />- they gradated before 2006<br /><br />That's pretty much it. Obviously it helps that they had wealthy parents, knew people and went to good schools. But the most important part was getting a job before there weren't any. These are all Gen Xers by the way. The successful boomer lawyers live in MUCH higher end neighborhoods on the lake or private waterways.<br /><br />So chin up - as soon as they invent a time machine you can go back and graduate when there were still jobs and then sit around and high five yourself over how smart you were to be born before the collapse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43787290790139623832012-08-12T06:15:53.348-07:002012-08-12T06:15:53.348-07:005:11 I asked this question back when this problem ...5:11 I asked this question back when this problem was originally discussed. The response was vitriolic. Of course the average debt load is a serious part of your decision about law school! It emerged that it could affect someone's decision whether to apply to the school. If I thought a school was right for me by measures more important and personal to me, I would not decide to forego applying to the school based upon its average debt load. I would at least see what deal I could get, and try to get more information about how scholarships were handled. <br /><br />That said, no school should lie or mislead about its numbers. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35834277314989751412012-08-12T05:11:56.216-07:002012-08-12T05:11:56.216-07:00I don't see the mis-reporting of debt as anyth...I don't see the mis-reporting of debt as anything larger than trying to improve US News Rankings.<br /><br />These numbers would not coax any students (except the ones that should be too damn stupid to get in in the first place) to attend the schools, if they're basing it on the debt numbers.<br /><br />Someone explain to me how the reporting of an "average debt number" can confuse an individual student about what he/she is going to owe. Each individual student knows A) the price of tuition B) rough living expenses/fees/etc., and C) amounts of grants/scholarships/etc. they are going to get for each semester before it is time to pay the bill.<br /><br />Why wouldn't each student look at their own bill rather than go by a number in a magazine?<br /><br />I get that the schools need to be exposed for this practice, but you (LawProf) are overstating the alleged effects of the practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86496736283203463632012-08-12T04:08:10.803-07:002012-08-12T04:08:10.803-07:00The ABA ought to start an add campaign encouraging...The ABA ought to start an add campaign encouraging employers to hire a lawyer and train a lawyer for a different job. The ad should explain that there are far more lawyers than legal jobs and many strong workers from the lawyer ranks out there that can make a difference in another area. That might help unemployed lawyers get work as opposed to automatic rejections from non-legal jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-15260403897810650302012-08-11T23:09:10.048-07:002012-08-11T23:09:10.048-07:00no, 7:43, i wasn't blaming anyone for anything...no, 7:43, i wasn't blaming anyone for anything. i was getting into a misery pissing contest. totally different.Shawn Spencernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29097098585829239102012-08-11T19:43:50.464-07:002012-08-11T19:43:50.464-07:00This whole generational warfare is comical.
The M...This whole generational warfare is comical.<br /><br />The Millenial generation of law students and recent grads is too stupid to realize it was being ripped off for a largely pointless education. <br /><br />The Boomer generation is too stupid (or smart enough???) to see that the Millenial generation is too stupid to realize it was being ripped off for a largely pointless education.<br /><br />The Xers, myself included, who don't give a shit about anything, just sit around and laugh at them all. <br /><br />The blame game goes round in circles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16641432949616124292012-08-11T19:31:43.643-07:002012-08-11T19:31:43.643-07:00Walmart does not hire lawyers.Walmart does not hire lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-48881440337396326692012-08-11T18:22:29.126-07:002012-08-11T18:22:29.126-07:00I see what you mean about Anon. From some other w...I see what you mean about Anon. From some other world. I guess if you are in the 5% that can make a good living in the legal profession and can work until you are ready to retire on your comfortable pension, you can ignore the problems of the legal profession. Unfortunately, the other 95% and almost all recent grads for the sake of planning their futures while they are young enough to have options, need to worry about the law school scam, the lawyer oversupply, the lack of long-term employment in the profession and whether they will end up working at Walmart to supplement their eat-what-you-kill income from their small law practice out of their home office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29379274356340482612012-08-11T18:12:57.296-07:002012-08-11T18:12:57.296-07:00Who the fuck is this piece of shit "Anon"...Who the fuck is this piece of shit "Anon" who comments over at Taxprof? Why won't that tiny dick piece of shit try spouting his crap over here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20478934816511380852012-08-11T16:31:26.922-07:002012-08-11T16:31:26.922-07:00If you lie and you are caught, it is curtains for ...If you lie and you are caught, it is curtains for doing anything decent with your life. If you read this blog, what people with some experience are suggesting is that the legal profession is so overcrowded that maybe you should look at doing something else. Maybe your class rank is a blessing in disguise. You can better tackle the problem of too many lawyers now than later in your career when your options are more limited.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com