tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post4428159224471034118..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Caveat emptor and law school employment numbersLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-48629804301392714692011-09-12T15:00:47.134-07:002011-09-12T15:00:47.134-07:008:48
Don't even get me started on UC Irvine. ...8:48<br /><br />Don't even get me started on UC Irvine. There are just so many things wrong with that school I wouldn't know where to begin. <br /><br />I'm just guessing this but it wouldn't surprise me if the powers that be at UCI law has already set up the first year's small graduating class into prestigious positions.RLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63094087385586093422011-09-12T06:07:45.986-07:002011-09-12T06:07:45.986-07:00Even in the era of scamblogs, it is reasonable for...Even in the era of scamblogs, it is reasonable for prospective students to trust the data presented by the law schools. This is because scambloggers have no credibility, they are just bitter losers exagerating the problem to excuse their own failure. That's why this blog is so extraordinary. Anybody who stumbles across this blog is going to hear the case made by a law professor and that can't be easily dismissed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-41533699928532934092011-09-12T04:42:41.024-07:002011-09-12T04:42:41.024-07:00Currently there is a little muscle to make sure th...<i>Currently there is a little muscle to make sure the for-profit schools are in shape (i.e. not blatantly abusing their students)</i><br /><br />The world of for-profit "colleges" is absolutely disgusting. The NY Times did an excellent multi-part expose on this maybe two years ago. Believe it or not, they engage in behavior that would make law school stat-massaging seem downright angelic.<br /><br />One of the schools front and center was "Kaplan University". It was disgusting to see the name of my company being dragged through the mud because of the assholes in one tiny division [sort of a much smaller version of how everyone who worked for Enron has now been smeared due to the antics at Enron Energy Trading]. Unlike most law professors, however, once I finally became convinced of how ethically and intellectually bankrupt the corporation was, I left.<br /><br /><i>Blaming prospective students for believing the misleading statistics put out by the law schools is like blaming the rape victim for the rape: she should have known better than to be alone with him, she shouldn't have been so sexy, etc.</i><br /><br />A classmate of mine (I'm a 3L at a tier 2 state school) who is one of the brightest people I've ever met has been complaining, loudly, about how screwed he feels. When I said, "oh c'mon you didn't just google around a bit to find out what the deal was?" he replied, "Stupid me, I researched about a dozen different schools and when I saw at all of them employment numbers roughly similar, at or over 90%, I assumed they were telling me the truth. And since this school was basically half-price, I decided to come here."<br /><br />Mind you this isn't a naive 22 year old undergrad. This was a guy with an ivy league pedigree and nearly a decade of academic work experience who was already making at the very top end of a five-figure (comfortably middle class if not rich) salary.<br /><br /><i>A similar thing happened at a NJ law school. I forget which.</i><br /><br />The private one.BreezyWheezehttp://www.fark.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34575292315353019132011-09-11T22:12:29.798-07:002011-09-11T22:12:29.798-07:00re the ABA; Everyone with any power is culpable. ...re the ABA; Everyone with any power is culpable. There aren't too many innocent parties in this mess.Follow the moneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78289189182096816662011-09-11T20:56:07.645-07:002011-09-11T20:56:07.645-07:00This blog has not focused enough on the culpabilit...This blog has not focused enough on the culpability of the ABA. <br /><br />At some point, the accrediting institution should step in and say "enough is enough" we don't need any more law schools. Why this hasn't happened is a complete mystery. Is it because the ABA is run by the law schools or the large law firms? <br /><br />The initial solution is obvious: There are too many law schools. Note all you want the accuracy of the employment data of a particular TTT or TT or T school, but the truth is that supply is crushing demand, and this trend is here to stay: Since the ABA permitted doc review to be done in foreign countries, a US attorney will never be able to compete with the salary of somebody in a second or third world country. Let alone a computer that can more quickly and thoroughly analyze documents than a human being. <br /><br />Here is a model for professional responsibility: In the 1990s the Dental Profession responsibly shuttered dental schools at Northwestern, Emory, and Georgetown in order to ensure that every dental student could find dental work. Until every law graduate can find legal work, there will be too many law schools. <br /><br />There is a promise, implicit in every law school admission acceptance, that you the prospective student will be able to find work after completing the course of study. The ABA, as the professional association charged with accreditation, has a duty to fulfill this promise and this problem must be addressed directly: lower the number of graduates until it meets demand. As described above, this may require some serious leaning of the number of legal institutions. At $180k per law school graduate, the profound consequences demand this response. <br /><br />The profession itself, through the ABA, must clean house itself, or risk a foreign institution like the US Government cleaning house instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74214859206814733042011-09-11T20:48:59.498-07:002011-09-11T20:48:59.498-07:00If you want to see some absolutely reprehensible &...If you want to see some absolutely reprehensible "public relations" abuses by law schools, keep a close eye on UC Irvine. <br /><br />Irwin Chemerinsky has allowed some of the most ridiculous law school hyperbole to be released I've ever seen. <br /><br />Star power cannot overcome that realities that this and other blogs seek to expose, and you are not immune nor are you special. <br /><br />Sorry Chemerinsky, sorry UC Irvine faculty. At least the weather is nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-33027499438554310622011-09-11T20:45:35.510-07:002011-09-11T20:45:35.510-07:00Anyone else watch the Cowboys game? Tony Romo is j...Anyone else watch the Cowboys game? Tony Romo is just good enough to lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16692231153052130242011-09-11T20:38:34.502-07:002011-09-11T20:38:34.502-07:00And now comes news from one of the biggest douche ...And now comes news from one of the biggest douche bags the legal academy has to offer (yes, Leiter)that Illinois is committing fraud:<br /><br />http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2011/09/illinois-admissions-dean-suspended-over-inaccurate-data-on-student-credentials.html<br /><br />With all due respect, Prof. Campos, this endeavor of exposing the outright consumer fraud perpetrated by law schools needs to move from the "scam blogosphere" to the a criminal investigation by those that prosecuted Madoff.<br /><br />Ms. Hurd, Ms. Hurt, Mr. Seto, any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24942085584053294112011-09-11T20:25:46.756-07:002011-09-11T20:25:46.756-07:00Could it be his comment was too long?Could it be his comment was too long?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04034378179943090607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16311312004669649432011-09-11T20:20:45.753-07:002011-09-11T20:20:45.753-07:00Rather the suntimes via the ap. Shows how dishone...Rather the suntimes via the ap. Shows how dishonest they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16022844981360745382011-09-11T20:16:06.991-07:002011-09-11T20:16:06.991-07:00Check out chicagotribune.com. Assistant dean on p...Check out chicagotribune.com. Assistant dean on placed on leave due to allegedly manipulating LSAT scores.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71746173554096525622011-09-11T20:15:29.449-07:002011-09-11T20:15:29.449-07:00This is just pathetic:
http://prawfsblawg.blogs....This is just pathetic: <br /><br />http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2011/09/a-reply-to-anonymous-commenter-number-3497.html<br /><br />Defensive much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39383667364033765692011-09-11T20:11:31.299-07:002011-09-11T20:11:31.299-07:00Ummm, FYI
http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2011/...Ummm, FYI<br /><br />http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2011/09/thomas-cooley-law-schools-attack-on-a-critics-anonymity-hits-some-snags.html<br /><br />Huge news in the Cooley lawsuits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55407579910521581402011-09-11T20:05:58.167-07:002011-09-11T20:05:58.167-07:00^Again, b/c that's what drives USNWR rankings....^Again, b/c that's what drives USNWR rankings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5214202218687325692011-09-11T19:57:02.790-07:002011-09-11T19:57:02.790-07:00I think he means why is there a crackdown on inacc...I think he means why is there a crackdown on inaccurate LSAT scores when they run wild with employment stats.fattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61691160807194707352011-09-11T19:56:02.886-07:002011-09-11T19:56:02.886-07:00"Why are the schools so worried about getting..."Why are the schools so worried about getting their incoming LSAT data right"<br /><br />Because that's what gets reported to USNWR and that's what affects their rank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-58962060700567602292011-09-11T19:46:36.209-07:002011-09-11T19:46:36.209-07:00Speaking of NJ, GO COWBOYS!!!Speaking of NJ, GO COWBOYS!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53750819843245523462011-09-11T19:40:33.087-07:002011-09-11T19:40:33.087-07:00A similar thing happened at a NJ law school. I for...A similar thing happened at a NJ law school. I forget which. Why are the schools so worried about getting their incoming LSAT data right, but they're not worried about getting their career placement data right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-57297396566769930802011-09-11T19:38:24.784-07:002011-09-11T19:38:24.784-07:00U of IIinois Law Dean Suspended for reporting inac...U of IIinois Law Dean Suspended for reporting inaccurate admissions data:<br /><br />http://www.suntimes.com/news/7603477-418/u-of-i-law-assistant-dean-put-on-leave-over-test-result-questions.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38476056709003355872011-09-11T19:28:04.419-07:002011-09-11T19:28:04.419-07:00Now it's a complete nullity. Triple redundancy...Now it's a complete nullity. Triple redundancy.None the Anonymous Assholenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11968707116464046872011-09-11T19:17:34.432-07:002011-09-11T19:17:34.432-07:00No I mean I would like everyone to post as anonymo...No I mean I would like everyone to post as anonymous. No monikers at all. It adds a sense of mystery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23911978540110755592011-09-11T19:16:20.819-07:002011-09-11T19:16:20.819-07:00How's that?How's that?None the Autistic Assholenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89417376661674109222011-09-11T19:14:57.143-07:002011-09-11T19:14:57.143-07:00Blaming prospective students for believing the mis...Blaming prospective students for believing the misleading statistics put out by the law schools is like blaming the rape victim for the rape: she should have known better than to be alone with him, she shouldn't have been so sexy, etc.<br /><br />It's allowing the person committing the crime - and yes, it's a crime - to escape having to take responsibility because the blame is placed on the victim. It doesn't work with rape and it doesn't work in this situation either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34065890040566297992011-09-11T19:14:53.284-07:002011-09-11T19:14:53.284-07:00If you want...right above the "anon" cho...If you want...right above the "anon" choice is "name/URL". Type whatever you want. nothing to sign into, nothing to trace.Dr.jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-91408935805931636682011-09-11T19:11:33.846-07:002011-09-11T19:11:33.846-07:00I like the anon feature. It's fun having no cl...I like the anon feature. It's fun having no clue who you are talking to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com