tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post4247955346526523136..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: No comment necessaryLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-15121531468781490532013-01-19T01:03:33.365-08:002013-01-19T01:03:33.365-08:00The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as...The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water. <a href="http://www.covinaplumbing.net/" rel="nofollow">plumber covina</a><br />Sammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13182526765240519199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6613105107984409962012-09-24T00:11:56.977-07:002012-09-24T00:11:56.977-07:00Wow, I don't even know what to say about this....Wow, I don't even know what to say about this. It's actually quite astonishing, her views are incredibly warped. I'm glad I came across this article, the only reason I stumbled across it was because I had recently applied to a <a href="http://www.holborncollege.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate-degree-courses/degrees-with-a-foundation-year/diploma-in-law" rel="nofollow">diploma in law</a> and wanted a better picture of what it was going to be like.<br /><br />I'd also like to add that I'd never heard of “Legal anthropology” before now. I guess you learn something new everyday!Emma Tamesidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63572377059177455882012-09-04T09:04:51.514-07:002012-09-04T09:04:51.514-07:00PSOL is a diploma millPSOL is a diploma millAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74751755246146204862012-08-29T09:01:44.894-07:002012-08-29T09:01:44.894-07:00I see Jennifer Spreng has now gone public with her...I see Jennifer Spreng has now gone public with her insanity. Pay her no mind. That is exactly what I did for two agonizing semesters of her Civil Procedure classes, and I survived. Spreng is in desperate need of psychotropic medication, and we can't help her stay in touch with reality if she won't help herself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77774588359386607992012-08-28T13:32:56.437-07:002012-08-28T13:32:56.437-07:00"If adjuncts are so low paid - why is tuition..."If adjuncts are so low paid - why is tuition so high?"<br /><br />Is this is a real question?<br />Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45045705122874626792012-08-22T18:11:11.343-07:002012-08-22T18:11:11.343-07:00"Im going to repeat it again if you didn'..."Im going to repeat it again if you didn't catch it the first time. It's hard to fail any of the classes at UCLA law school."<br /><br />OH MY GOD. WOW. Thank you for your meaningful contribution to the discussion. You sound like a complete idiot - hope the dingo didn't eat your baby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-186102036678577912012-08-22T04:38:53.455-07:002012-08-22T04:38:53.455-07:00@DJM - I think this is what you are looking for: h...@DJM - I think this is what you are looking for: http://oaa.osu.edu/assets/files/documents/Handbook12.pdf<br /><br />http://oaa.osu.edu/handbook.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16400813332919950222012-08-22T03:57:51.023-07:002012-08-22T03:57:51.023-07:00"I suppose that leaves medicine as the sole r..."I suppose that leaves medicine as the sole remaining "easy path" to the upper middle class."<br /><br />If your goal is to make six figures, it can be a tough road.<br /><br />But the truth of the matter is, one would be lucky to make $40,000 a year as a lawyer. At this income level, it is not hard to come up with alternatives to incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.<br /><br />For example, people in medical fields get 75% of their student loans forgiven if they work in rural areas.<br /><br />A few weeks ago, some of the law schools were suggesting that law graduates could work in places like western Nebraska. But, here's the difference.<br /><br />You can work in western Nebraska, and, if you are lucky, make $16,000 per year as a struggling attorney taking court appointed work -- and still be stuck with horrendous law school debt.<br /><br />Or, you can work in western Nebraska as a nurse or a physician's assistant, make over $50,000 per year (which is good money in western Nebraska) and have your student loans forgiven.<br /><br />There are many jobs in medicine which do not require medical school and do not require exceptional academic skills or qualifications. There are other jobs, which require a two year program and offer student loan forgiveness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32273153914431324792012-08-22T03:46:53.022-07:002012-08-22T03:46:53.022-07:00A generation ago, a friend of mine was considering...A generation ago, a friend of mine was considering going into anthropology, but was talked out of it by one of his professors. His professor told him "You don't write well, and yo9u don't have a cute ass."T.J. Streakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10270337545818626232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89334013076999746112012-08-22T03:41:07.809-07:002012-08-22T03:41:07.809-07:00DJM,
Yes, that answers the question as far as pro...DJM,<br /><br />Yes, that answers the question as far as profs, so thank you for that!<br /><br />As profs don't make the policy and don't set the tuition, I didn't really expect that it would be the profs with the golden chutes though.<br /><br />However, if the administrators do, what do they really have to fear by simply raising tuition along with all the rest of the schools, even if they know it's gonna crash? They'll still get taken care of, plus, since that was the status quo, it won't help their re-employment chances either.<br /><br />Just look at all the wall street folks who went from vaporizing billions of dollars, keeping huge bonuses, and going right into top government positions and as chairmen of other corporations in the same arena...no different here.<br /><br />So how can anyone expect to change the path that we're all on? The federal government is never going to turn off the loan valve because the policy makers don't care (too much) about what happens more than a few years in the future. We'll worry about that then...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71221379889353912822012-08-21T20:53:16.864-07:002012-08-21T20:53:16.864-07:00Anthropology is a complete waste of time and energ...Anthropology is a complete waste of time and energy. I received my bachelors of science in anthropology from UCLA two years ago and the program is for half baked students who fell out of the more demanding life and physical sciences. I feel sorry for the ones who actually go into the major as a first year undergrad. These are the most delusional types who actually go on to pursue graduate studies, because their grade point average tends to be higher without all the chem, bio, physics, and math for the b.s. The average grade in these anthropology classes is an A or A minus so that you can feel ever so special about yourself for having studied gender and language with a minor in chicano studies. What's really sad about this whole affair is that these professors in subjects like linguistics, archaeology, bio anthro, and cultural anthropology are the ones who actually write the letter of recommendations for students to go to law school or graduate school thus perpetuating the vicious cycle. These professors dole out A pluses in order to get students off their backs. Its a mixture of annoyance and incredulity when students actually show up for office hours. It's almost like, "hey, I made the class easy enough so you don't have to show your face around here.. What's going on? There is no need to brown nose or kiss ass" I remember a anthropology of religion class where the final consisted of a cross word puzzle and fill in the blanks. <br /><br />Law prof, I'm writing to you from Sydney Australia where I recently moved because I think the us as a country is preparing for the final reckoning. Did you know student loans here in australia are interest free? Did you know law students are undergrads? Did you know us dollar which used to be twice that of australia is now weaker than that Australian dollar? Did you know it's also the only country in the world that wasn't hit by the 2008 financial crises? <br /><br />Australians actually seem to care about infrastructure. If you exploit the young, your taking a terrible risk. Students aren't toxic mortgages that you can package and resell on the market. <br /><br />I have friends at UCLA law right now. They tell me that it's hard to fail any of the classes. Im going to repeat it again if you didn't catch it the first time. It's hard to fail any of the classes at UCLA law school. The classes are designed so that once your in, the administration and faculty do every thing they can to boost students gpa's and make classes difficult to fail. That should be a telling sign in and of itself. A top school has made its curriculum easy in order to assist students in finding a job in an almost impossible job market. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9081908107828220372012-08-21T19:53:56.465-07:002012-08-21T19:53:56.465-07:00On the question of employment contracts: I haven&...On the question of employment contracts: I haven't answered this before partly because I'm not sure. My contract has no special provisions, and I doubt other professors have special provisions. It's possible that some deans have golden parachute clauses, but that's more typical for university presidents and football coaches.<br /><br />My protections, like those of most tenured professors, are whatever the university's general tenure provisions say. And darned if I can find those provisions on the OSU website! The university definitely can lower my salary (as long as that's part of a general program, rather than a targeted hit). And if a unit closes, I think the university's commitments to tenured faculty are (a) lay off staff and other nontenured people first; (b) try to move tenured faculty to other units (where they would be paid by the standards in that unit); and (c) give notice--probably of one year.<br /><br />So there are sizable protections but probably not what you are thinking of in terms of a golden parachute. Hope that answers the question. I still want to find those provisions on the OSU site!DJMhttp://moritzlaw.osu.edu/faculty/bios.php?ID=38noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6930287330977331842012-08-21T18:36:14.457-07:002012-08-21T18:36:14.457-07:00It is harder than ever for non-top graduates from ...It is harder than ever for non-top graduates from outside T14 to find even faintly remunerative work as lawyers. It *is* indeed simply true. What may have been the case for, let's say, a Class of 1986 grad from Rutgers (the real, respectable Rutgers, not the one in Camden) will be completely inoperative (and unrecognizable) for someone similarly positioned today , unless they happen to be at the very top of theirclass. Besides that, how many more law schools are there now in any given market compared to what was the case twenty or thirty years ago? And how many law firms are there now compared to then? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-72294035216195936212012-08-21T18:27:32.098-07:002012-08-21T18:27:32.098-07:00Well if anyone needs work, there is always pro bon...Well if anyone needs work, there is always pro bono or public defender work.<br /><br />http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REPRESENTING_YOURSELF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-19-12-25-05Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47058532188674307412012-08-21T17:52:36.586-07:002012-08-21T17:52:36.586-07:00^^^ Beg pardon - meant to write 8-20 years out, no...^^^ Beg pardon - meant to write 8-20 years out, not 8-10. And "plenty" means, uh, wut?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-48752734318802693582012-08-21T17:49:43.264-07:002012-08-21T17:49:43.264-07:00"Still does not mean most grads are successfu..."Still does not mean most grads are successful. It is just that some actually beat the odds and are currently working in good jobs."<br /><br />Okay. Can't argue that. I know several people from Tier 2 schools who are 8-10 years out who are still hanging in there. Also know a similar number who are now barely hanging on by their fingernails... ...as well as (of course) some who have all along been barely hanging on by their nails.And "plenty" means, uh, wut?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-88095797431867048562012-08-21T17:41:09.358-07:002012-08-21T17:41:09.358-07:00Going to a law school that is not in the T20 or ev...Going to a law school that is not in the T20 or even T50 is simply not fatal to having a good career. Just take any law school that is not top rated but also not at the bottom and then go to Martindale and look at the people employed in that law school's home area. You will see a lot of successful people. Still does not mean most grads are successful. It is just that some actually beat the odds and are currently working in good jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86763821507430731172012-08-21T17:35:01.931-07:002012-08-21T17:35:01.931-07:00"Plenty of people are successful today with d..."<b><i>Plenty</i></b> of people are successful today with degrees from not such top schools. " (emphasis is added)<br /><br />And "plenty" means, uh, wut?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3681316193843478572012-08-21T17:33:28.006-07:002012-08-21T17:33:28.006-07:00All one can do is beg one's children to go to ...All one can do is beg one's children to go to an area where they are likely to be employed. If someone is stupid enough to be among the 66,000 applying to law school this year, they honestly deserve what they got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-56594652615087811702012-08-21T17:31:30.803-07:002012-08-21T17:31:30.803-07:005:23 Plenty of people are successful today with de...5:23 Plenty of people are successful today with degrees from not such top schools. Their first jobs may not be as good as for those from top schools, but they can end up in great positions. The problem in law is that there are not enough positions to go around even for top grads, and the percentage who are successful has to be lower from the lower tier schools. Does not mean you will not be successful. Just gives you lower odds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53002901754242625332012-08-21T17:25:55.684-07:002012-08-21T17:25:55.684-07:00"The only people who were really screwed is t..."The only people who were really screwed is those who went into an area before it became apparent that the area was no good for most people. "<br /><br />Yes, but we have to ask ourselfs - is our children learning?NCLB - Really, We Mean It!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-2418421808515902722012-08-21T17:25:41.139-07:002012-08-21T17:25:41.139-07:00The problem is that 20 years ago, many lawyers wer...The problem is that 20 years ago, many lawyers were not particularly successful, but relatively few were unemployed. There was probably a lot of drop off even then from lower ranked schools. That picture started to change maybe 10 years ago when most of midlaw disappeared, and for the first time you saw increasing numbers of highly credentialed unemployed lawyers. Today, unemployment is very common for grads of top schools, treating solos, real estate brokers and others in questionable positions as unemployment. In house is very tough to get into and stay in unless one goes in pretty young and is lucky enough to get into a stable company and a stable group. Today, there is much in the way of layoff, takeover or other activities that threaten in house jobs, and there is also a very new and rigorous concept of "fit" where even the HYS grads may find themselves on the street because they are not part of the clique, so to speak. Being able to join the clique and stay in the clique in house may be critical to staying employed in a legal job, and not everyone has the social and intangible skills. Not something one one expect as to being a lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84203202015427026002012-08-21T17:23:14.763-07:002012-08-21T17:23:14.763-07:003:29, you sound like the kind of guy who frequents...3:29, you sound like the kind of guy who frequents alt-right or game blogs, lol. Not saying that in a derogatory sense (I agree with it), just the tone.<br /><br />10:47, you are exactly right. There are so many traps waiting for college-age people, and so few people willing to advise anybody about them. I've seen a grand total of ONE book recently that was willing to be completely honest with readers about their probable chances with given undergraduate majors and graduate degrees ("Worthless", by Aaron Clarey) from normal state schools. No anecdotes about that one English major (who unsurprisingly went to an Ivy) they knew who got work with Goldman Sachs or that one Poli Sci student from a second-tier state school who now does exciting work in Southeast Asia with some non-profit, just the likely outcome for graduates from a mid-tier school.<br /><br />The democratization of education has unfortunately led to an extreme dependence on pedigree for career purposes. A few fields are distinguished by the fact that their elite schools aren't HYSCCN, such as accounting, but ultimately a degree from an Ivy or similar will kick open doors that are forever locked to someone with a degree from State U. I had the brains to get into an Ivy but didn't bother applying to any even though I would probably be a legacy at Harvard (Mom got her MBA there) and went to State U instead. Stupidest decision of my entire life.<br /><br />But yes, given how terrible the job market is and how incredibly high the stakes are with tuition, it's a disgrace how few people there are who are willing to give genuine useful advice to the youth. On the more cynical hand, though, I suppose it's good because God knows I don't want a bunch of finance majors flooding accounting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77623393037868985592012-08-21T17:22:01.262-07:002012-08-21T17:22:01.262-07:00"Law Professors and Administrators... ask aga..."Law Professors and Administrators... ask again, what does your... contract provide ... due to some sort of downsizing or closure....? Why won't you answer it?"<br /><br /><br />A. `Cause you're some anonymous pissant?<br /><br />B. `Cause no lawprofs as yet have even seen your (apparently repeated) question(s)?<br /><br />C. `Cause you're some anonymous pissant?<br /><br />D. Answers A and B.<br /><br />E. Answers A-D.<br /><br />F. `Cause you're really just some anonymous pissant, like the rest of us.<br /><br />You Are Welcome.the anonymousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49824436104266180702012-08-21T17:18:42.499-07:002012-08-21T17:18:42.499-07:00There is no surprise in this post. Exactly what a...There is no surprise in this post. Exactly what anyone who did their homework would expect. You need to go where the demand is. The only people who were really screwed is those who went into an area before it became apparent that the area was no good for most people. That was never the case for anthropology, and anyone who does that can expect to be an adjunct if they are lucky or if not to teach high school. Even in the generation of the grandparents of current )0Ls there were tons of PhDs who taught high school because they could not get better positions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com