tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post3110572707925377896..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Basic mathLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20348927890895785902012-07-10T15:25:06.322-07:002012-07-10T15:25:06.322-07:00Your assumption that growth is concentrated in sup...Your assumption that growth is concentrated in support staff rather than lawyers is backwards. Anyone who's practiced in the past 20 years knows that staff numbers have declined significantly, and especially relative to lawyers.<br /><br />During the pits of the Great Recession, I was in BigLaw. Attorneys and staff were both let go in moderate numbers. Attorney hiring picked up in 2010 -- the firm probably has 5-10% more lawyers than it did at the 2007 peak. Staff have continued to leave. Apart from a few old-school secretaries brought on by senior lateral partners and a net gain of maybe one or two paralegals, the firm hired no new staff, but, as I noted, far more lawyers than left.<br /><br />Doesn't mean things are rosy. But, more objectivity would help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22123445237166362472012-07-09T22:18:39.000-07:002012-07-09T22:18:39.000-07:00I have a very ominous feeling about whether we can...I have a very ominous feeling about whether we can even hang on to the 20,000 per year figure. Big firms will shrink as corporate clients move work in-house and question the billable hours model. Public sector hiring will vanish as austerity takes permanent hold--and retirees will not be replaced. Document review gigs will be offshored or replaced by digital sorting programs. Solos will have to compete with legal zoom, not to mention an oversaturated market and yelp reviews which will broadcast to the world the solos' rookie mistakes. <br /><br />I have heard that even some appellate court judges are reconsidering the ancient tradition of providing one to two year clerkships, opting instead for permanent assistants.<br /><br />dybbukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-66064298791810355532012-07-09T21:15:16.173-07:002012-07-09T21:15:16.173-07:00I meant HYS graduates, and "It is childish&qu...I meant HYS graduates, and "It is childish".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29173458466723906982012-07-09T21:12:30.455-07:002012-07-09T21:12:30.455-07:00HLS graduates understand. I know many personally w...HLS graduates understand. I know many personally who are doing very well. No school has ever guaranteed that every graduate will be continuously successful no matter what internal or external forces are at play. it is childish to think otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78225308978089593432012-07-09T20:42:57.536-07:002012-07-09T20:42:57.536-07:00Even HYS grads have to understand how glutted this...Even HYS grads have to understand how glutted this profession is and how hard it is to stay employed the more experienced a lawyer gets. These commenters are giving top grads a false sense that their degrees will have value 25 years out. For many people today a HLS degree is worth less than what NYC spends on an experienced teacher each year. How many HLS grads are in that position. I know a few personally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68546251420664681572012-07-09T19:56:54.231-07:002012-07-09T19:56:54.231-07:00great bloggreat blogPropagandistHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032093796955347846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61769499542252672742012-07-09T19:47:10.055-07:002012-07-09T19:47:10.055-07:00@7:14.
You are spot on. Competition is intense. ...@7:14. <br /><br />You are spot on. Competition is intense. I'm a member of a small (10 lawyers) niche NYC firm. We are generally considered one of, if not the, best firm in our field. We have not, however, dared to raise our rates for at least five years. There's just too many solos and smaller shops undercutting us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39692811893584229532012-07-09T19:14:35.588-07:002012-07-09T19:14:35.588-07:00...and to anyone considering going to law school, ......and to anyone considering going to law school, even if you do get a first or a second or a third law job, the competition for each of those and any succeeding job is intense. Plus, no law job is ever secure. Never. I know of unemployed former biglaw firm managing partners. I have now watched a 20 year cycle unfold. My area of law, patent law, was booming through the 1990's and into the 2000's. Now it is completely glutted. I honestly believe, according to my observation of at least 400 or 500 people, that at least half of my contemporaries are not presently working at all or are listing a "law firm of x" at either their home address or a rented P.O. box address. Even if you get started in law and appear to do well for a period of time, even many years or a decade, it is still an unsafe and unwise choice because....there are way, way too many lawyers....and as you get older and more experienced there are fewer and fewer opportunities. I contemplate my own exit strategy daily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-90684746503629493062012-07-09T19:10:05.391-07:002012-07-09T19:10:05.391-07:006:39--Sure, but a lot of people have gotten desira...6:39--Sure, but a lot of people have gotten desirable non-legal jobs while doing work as lawyers. They would not have been in the room but for their degrees. As for taking the JD off the resume, it depends on the school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5810645032891007152012-07-09T18:39:52.953-07:002012-07-09T18:39:52.953-07:00@ 6:08 PM
A lot of the people who obtained their ...@ 6:08 PM<br /><br />A lot of the people who obtained their high profile jobs certainly did not get it due to having a JD as opposed to getting it while just happening to have a JD. Do you think, for instance, that Tony Larussa got his job because he had a JD or that Andrew Cuomo got all the jobs he got because of his JD? I could go on and on with all the people that have high profile jobs and it is quite clear that for them the JD played no factor.<br /><br />A lot of people have actually said, here and elsewhere, that rather than helping them get a non-legal job, the JD actually HINDERS it and people are actually having to REMOVE IT FROM THEIR RESUMES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80439752717458058402012-07-09T18:18:59.990-07:002012-07-09T18:18:59.990-07:00The person who wrote "amen" did ... oh, ...The person who wrote "amen" did ... oh, wait a minute. Never mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20251452711530955972012-07-09T18:11:36.519-07:002012-07-09T18:11:36.519-07:009:59 and 10:54
No one reads those long-ass posts9:59 and 10:54<br /><br />No one reads those long-ass postsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9797030753224945152012-07-09T18:08:49.978-07:002012-07-09T18:08:49.978-07:00"Venture to say"does not equal proof of ..."Venture to say"does not equal proof of anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20494841477507105782012-07-09T18:03:10.367-07:002012-07-09T18:03:10.367-07:00"BLS current estimate of annual outflow from ..."BLS current estimate of annual outflow from the legal profession: 13,840"<br /><br />what percentage of this number are lawyers and what percentage are support personnel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81180710456239960472012-07-09T16:03:26.195-07:002012-07-09T16:03:26.195-07:00@ 3:53 PM
While there are certainly legitimate ex...@ 3:53 PM<br /><br />While there are certainly legitimate examples of people who have actually parlayed their law degree and law experience into great non-legal careers, I would venture to say that the vast majority of people obtained these non-legal career opportunities while just happening to hold a JD, the JD itself having almost nothing to do with their attaining said position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43165868156247448682012-07-09T15:53:34.443-07:002012-07-09T15:53:34.443-07:00Other, perhaps unusual examples, of lawyers that h...Other, perhaps unusual examples, of lawyers that have done "anything" with a law degree:<br /><br />Howard Cosell. Geraldo Rivera. Richard Nixon. Mark Levin. Ann Coulter.<br /><br />The broad question is, I guess: Did the Lawyer background or status have anything to do with successful entry into the other or rather later careers of the aforementioned personages?<br /><br />And if so, how does that relate or compare to today, in the broadest sense, of course.<br /><br />Leiter types would never deign to respond, for a life in the stratosphere while strumming on a golden lyre seems to be a human constant. <br /><br />But I think a Dean Gormley would say yes to this mostest broadest of questions.<br /><br />What say ye?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55094610383232398752012-07-09T15:04:26.092-07:002012-07-09T15:04:26.092-07:00@2:02 PM asked:
"Why aren’t more kids from M...@2:02 PM asked:<br /><br />"Why aren’t more kids from MIT in positions of power, after all they are extremely brilliant as well, no?"<br /><br />Well.......here is one (to me at least) tragically underemployed MIT kid that chuckles his way through life on a very silly billy popular radio show:<br /><br />http://www.cartalk.com/content/tom-and-rays-bios-photos-1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-56351535867105112822012-07-09T14:54:42.767-07:002012-07-09T14:54:42.767-07:00Double fail.Double fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38452477278632723092012-07-09T14:52:29.843-07:002012-07-09T14:52:29.843-07:00@2:44 - What you're talking about there is ver...@2:44 - What you're talking about there is verb "number," not "tense." Just sayin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23817891456288511552012-07-09T14:44:54.404-07:002012-07-09T14:44:54.404-07:00@2:26 Touche. BTW if you want to be a grammar and...@2:26 Touche. BTW if you want to be a grammar and spelling snob, get the verb tense of your sentence right: "allows" is for a single rather than a plural subject. If you'd used "or" instead of "and" you'd have been spot on with your witty rejoinder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21253228811224678082012-07-09T14:43:19.524-07:002012-07-09T14:43:19.524-07:00@ 2:16,
With regards to your lazy “life is not f...@ 2:16,<br /><br /><br />With regards to your lazy “life is not fair” comment, which is almost always proffered by someone that is part of a society’s screwing class (or in any event thinks they are part or are going to be part of the screwing class), no problem could ever be solved with that thinking. <br /><br />Don’t like a king? To bad, life is unfair and hierarchical. <br /><br />Don’t like slavery? Too bad, life is unfair and hierarchical. <br /><br />Yet, as we know, in the end, matters take a proper course, especially in this country.<br /><br />As to the hierarchical issue, life may be hierarchical, but the question of how that hierarchy is determined, composed and sustained has been, and will continue to be, the primary source of strife. Most Americans, even the proles, are comfortable with a hierarchy where the top of the food chain consists of innovators and producers; however, they are not comfortable with people sucking their blood for the sake of sucking because they went to [fill in the blank school] and/or come from or serve the interests of [fill in the blank family]. <br /><br />It means nothing to me that Lloyd Blankfein is a smart guy or that he went to Harvard. The same applies to the current President and the former President (except for the smart part). People will not tolerate this for long; you will see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35968644082225525392012-07-09T14:40:54.784-07:002012-07-09T14:40:54.784-07:00@2:02-- you said commenters on this site were writ...@2:02-- you said commenters on this site were writing as if they considered themselves superior to others. Has Justice Scalia, and whatever liberal justice you were talking about, posted on this site? Your comment does not support what you said about the attitudes of commenters from elite schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71699642193786057932012-07-09T14:30:55.397-07:002012-07-09T14:30:55.397-07:001:44:
Using my big brain, I worked out that I wou...1:44:<br /><br />Using my big brain, I worked out that I would prefer, if possible, for Prof. Campos to vet the person in question, in order to avoid:<br /><br />- wasting time creating a dummy email address<br />- putting the dummy email address on this blog, where I might be contacted by additional people to whom I'd not agreed to talk; and<br />- putting the prospective student(s) in a position where they have to email my dummy address with their real name and email address, which they might not be comfortable doing (because I'm not willing to waste time on a dummy-dummy email exchange with someone who may just be messing around)<br /><br />Now, it's perfectly fine for Paul to say he doesn't want to take time to put us in touch. But it's really not your place to speak for him or claim annoyance on his behalf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77685005540371320832012-07-09T14:26:18.704-07:002012-07-09T14:26:18.704-07:00Apparently, the Trilateral Commission and the Bild...Apparently, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group allows dyslexics and/or those who can't spell words like "hierarchical" into their secretive ranks.David Rockefellernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-72346669445123741912012-07-09T14:16:43.380-07:002012-07-09T14:16:43.380-07:00@2:02 So sorry you're tired of being a prole....@2:02 So sorry you're tired of being a prole. Newsflash: life is unfair and society is heirarchical. Grow up and get over it. Meanwhile, I'll try to get my Masonic brothers to milk the gnomes of Zurich and the Illuminati for some more bread and circuses to placate you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com