tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post176722900905360635..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Good money after bad?LawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger156125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51601932377804872952012-04-15T17:56:13.057-07:002012-04-15T17:56:13.057-07:00@12:28
"What is the Third-Year Giving Progra...@12:28<br /><br />"What is the Third-Year Giving Program you ask? It is an opportunity for students to leave their mark at PITT Law before they graduate."<br /><br />---<br /><br />All that work to avoid so, yet you have failed at keeping the school name a secret...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5432247041505930362012-03-24T08:04:37.967-07:002012-03-24T08:04:37.967-07:00your info is good.......your info is good.......Mencari Uang Di Internethttp://mencariuangdiinternet.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-67970246668148084062012-02-24T14:49:28.755-08:002012-02-24T14:49:28.755-08:00The poster above is correct that most law students...The poster above is correct that most law students who are 22 or 23 years old, aren't quite adults yet, especially if they go to law school immediately following college, and have no real life work experience.<br /><br />However, consider that many law students are older than 25, even older than 30. I knew many who were in their 40s. I knew one man in law school in his 40s, with two young children. He was in the very bottom of his graduating class, but he remained in law school regardless, racking up enormous student loan debt, while his wife struggled to support the family for three years. He even failed out at one point and had to petition for readmission. Its very unlikely that he wound up with a decent job after graduation. Its hard to excuse that kind of short-sightedness and foolish squandering of money, when the adult in question is much older, not a 22 year old "kid" just out of college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79362464112203181802012-02-01T12:28:11.906-08:002012-02-01T12:28:11.906-08:00This is from my law school (ranked between 60 and ...This is from my law school (ranked between 60 and 60 on US news rankings) - a crappy place to be with professors (like most other law schools) having no clue on what real business needs today.<br /><br />I cannot believe that these people have NO shame... pay up now so that you don't have to pay for next 2 years....<br /><br />"From: "XX@XX.edu - School of Law - 2012 Student List" <br />Subject: Kickoff of Third-Year Giving Program <br />Date: Tue, January 31, 2012 2:47 pm <br />To: XX@XX.edu <br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />On Wednesday, February 1st the Office of Development and Alumni Affairs will<br />officially kickoff the Third-Year Giving Program. What is the Third-Year Giving<br />Program you ask? It is an opportunity for students to leave their mark at Pitt Law<br />before they graduate. <br /><br />We are asking all third-year students to consider making a pledge of $20.12 (a<br />three-year pledge of $60.36) or more to a designation of their choose. Therefore,<br />students have an opportunity to support their student organizations, Moot Court,<br />LRAP, etc. after their days at XX Law are long gone. If you make a pledge to the<br />Third-Year Giving Campaign, the Development and Alumni Office will not send you a<br />pledge reminder until the spring of 2013! That's right, you don't have to make a<br />payment until NEXT spring. It is not about the amount of money the Class of 2012<br />raises, but the total number of students who participate. Please consider joining<br />your fellow classmates and make your pledge TODAY!<br />Who:<br />XX Law Class of 2012<br />What:<br />The Third-Year Giving Program<br /> Where:<br />The program will officially kickoff on Wednesday, February 1st - the 100 Days till<br />Graduation! <br />Stop down to the Student Lounge and talk with one of your Third-Year Giving<br />Committee members about why and how to make a pledge!<br /> When:<br />The committee will have a table from 11 a.m. - 2 p.m. on February 1st and 2nd in the<br />Student Lounge<br />Why:<br />Make your pledge ($20.12 during the next three years) to any Law School designation<br />of your choice. Now is your time to make a difference.<br /> How:<br />There are a few easy ways that you can make your pledge. First, visit our<br />Third-Year Giving website for more information, to view a list of the committee<br />members and to fill-out an online pledge form. Two, visit the second floor<br />receptionist's desk to get a pledge card. Also at the receptionist's desk will be a<br />"drop-off box". <br />Feel free to drop-off your pledge card at any time. <br />Three, ask a committee member - they will always carry extra pledge cards J! Or finally, call (XX) or email (XX@XX.edu) the Office of Development and Alumni<br />Affairs and ask how you can get involved.<br /><br /> *Incentives and Prizes for Third-Year Giving participants will be announced soon. <br />Get excited and continue to check your email! Please add XX@XX.edu to your Junk Mail Filter's Approved Senders List. <br /> Instructions can be found here. <br />"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-2339417482976000402012-01-31T17:02:01.764-08:002012-01-31T17:02:01.764-08:00Anyone who says law school is easy is either lying...Anyone who says law school is easy is either lying or delusional, but JD Match can help alleviate some of the added stress involved with finding a place to employ that hard earned degree. http://bit.ly/wbLMxyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15498190576718863317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73511005916020937302012-01-30T15:04:01.407-08:002012-01-30T15:04:01.407-08:00"That's real helpful."
Do you have ..."That's real helpful."<br /><br />Do you have a better idea? You can make a lot of money up there, much more than a lot of the "lucky" law grads that end up at crappy law firms.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65305543837446187602012-01-30T13:03:25.583-08:002012-01-30T13:03:25.583-08:00"Move to North Dakota and drill for oil."..."Move to North Dakota and drill for oil."<br /><br />That's real helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37596148914928192452012-01-30T10:56:22.273-08:002012-01-30T10:56:22.273-08:00Move to North Dakota and drill for oil. This is wh...Move to North Dakota and drill for oil. This is what I would do if I did not have a legal job. And if this kid doesn't think he'll get one, that's what he should do. If he can stand up to his parents and make some money, they'll respect him far more than if he got a meaningless law degree and languished in debt.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-40190819710910440852012-01-30T07:57:13.345-08:002012-01-30T07:57:13.345-08:00I haven't read the other comments yet, so I ap...I haven't read the other comments yet, so I apologize if I'm repeating points made earlier.<br /><br />YOU SHOULD DROP OUT NOW.<br /><br />YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DROP OUT NOW.<br /><br />If someone came up to you and said, "hey here's a product that you absolutely don't need. It's worthless, and in fact having it will more likely hurt you than help you," you would certainly refuse to pay for it.<br /><br />But let's say you said, "okay I'll spend three years of my life and $90,000" as part of a payment plan to get this thing." And it wasn't until two years and 60k into the plan that you realized the product is useless. Would you continue? Would you drop another year of your fast-vanishing youth? Would you spend another 30k?<br /><br />Of course not.<br /><br />All those folks who respond with, "Yeah but dude you should finish at least then you have the degree and a chance of job" have NO idea how bad it really is out there.<br /><br />The fact of the matter is that having the degree means nothing. It feels nice, sure. It makes Mom and Dad proud, sure. But as a real-life practical matter, your third year of law school is useless. It teaches you nothing, and you gain a degree that in no way changes your employability.<br /><br />DROP OUT NOW.<br /><br />And look, I can commiserate on the social stigma of being a dropout: as I mentioned in a previous thread, I dropped out of Medical School after two years. The metric tons of bullshit you have to put up with when family labels you a "dropout" is real and it's not easy to put up with. But you soldier through and get on with life. For those who are willing to listen and are rational, you can even explain your choice and earn some grudging admiration from them. If you're really worried about how it'll play, discuss the issue, at length with your parents. Provide them the data to demonstrate how and why it makes sense to not pay for a useless third year of law school.<br /><br />If they're so hopelessly irrational (or perhaps just arational) that they refuse to hear and understand why dropping out is the only reasonable option, then you've just got to accept that their value structure is so out of line with your own that real communication on the matter is impossible.<br /><br />JUST DO IT. MAKE THE SMART CHOICE. Drop out.BreezyWheezehttp://www.reddit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18246843423100142012-01-29T19:14:09.163-08:002012-01-29T19:14:09.163-08:00NYC--Greatest city in the world... Paris next, the...NYC--Greatest city in the world... Paris next, then Sydney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13146135410848710662012-01-29T18:59:38.660-08:002012-01-29T18:59:38.660-08:00NYC is a dirty overpriced toilet with a fat and ug...NYC is a dirty overpriced toilet with a fat and ugly population. I prefer the oc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68438202930076890272012-01-29T16:59:42.818-08:002012-01-29T16:59:42.818-08:00Are you kidding. It's almost like Law and Orde...Are you kidding. It's almost like Law and Order. I travel a lot. It's on somewhere almost everyday-- even overseas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-87643416256283042602012-01-29T16:48:17.101-08:002012-01-29T16:48:17.101-08:00FYI talking about sex and the city = revealing tha...FYI talking about sex and the city = revealing that you're old. 1999 is two decades ago and no one graduating in the last few years has even heard of that show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-2752329955898104672012-01-29T16:32:03.759-08:002012-01-29T16:32:03.759-08:00I think anyone talking students and then not worri...I think anyone talking students and then not worried about whether they are rational, is not being serious. The problem here that some of you are seeking cures for yourself after the fact when the discussion is about policy before the fact. If you have already graduated law school this discussion it too late for you. The only question is how to get you out of your debt not how to prevent you from having had the debt in the first place. I understood the article as being about whether we can expect some student to understand rationally what to do? Otherwise, the comments about 25 year old can think for themselves makes little sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70209674199343900992012-01-29T16:28:54.914-08:002012-01-29T16:28:54.914-08:00Although speaking of economics generally, the poin...Although speaking of economics generally, the points should not be missed here as far as students as "rational" consumers, or their parents:<br /><br />http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/philip-mirowski-the-seekers-or-how-mainstream-economists-have-defended-their-discipline-since-2008-–-part-i.html<br /><br />http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/philip-mirowski-the-seekers-or-how-mainstream-economists-have-defended-their-discipline-since-2008-– part-ii.htmlhttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/philip-mirowski-the-seekers-or-how-mainstream-economists-have-defended-their-discipline-since-2008-– part-iii.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18873554206442314232012-01-29T16:25:17.064-08:002012-01-29T16:25:17.064-08:00I think at this point this thread cannot be hijack...I think at this point this thread cannot be hijacked. That said, my question is this: On one hand we have the discussion regarding when a student should stop throwing good money after bad, and should just cut her loses and get out of law school. On the other hand, what of those who have already graduated but haven't managed to tee off on this fabulous career they spend three years (or more) preparing themselves for? At what point does the graduate stop throwing good money after bad, cut her loses and just get out of the profession?<br /><br />Which brings up a second point, which necessarily influences the first, what can one do with a law degree aside from practice law? (I'll not include "teaching" law because, well, yeah.) If you can't do anything with half of a law degree, and thus people just keep on truck'n through, it's a bit like the problem a graduate faces: There isn't much else to do aside from staying here and breaking rocks.Crux of lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572986619859564280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71520764505061682592012-01-29T16:16:25.638-08:002012-01-29T16:16:25.638-08:00Opps, typos.
" They are probably now feel...Opps, typos.<br /><br />" They are probably now feeling uncomfortable your suggestion that there's a factual problem with the ideological of rational consumers and markets."<br /><br />Should read:<br /><br /> They are probably feeling uncomfortable with any implicit argument that there's a factual problem with the argument that consumers and markets are rational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34844588634307588582012-01-29T16:13:23.780-08:002012-01-29T16:13:23.780-08:004:12 comment about rational consumers and markets ...4:12 comment about rational consumers and markets posted by Bruh RabbitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70929752027223648122012-01-29T16:12:42.895-08:002012-01-29T16:12:42.895-08:00I think the debate is driven by an ideological dis...I think the debate is driven by an ideological disagreement that wants to prevent a factual inquiry. <br /><br />The ideological argument is that consumers and markets are rational.<br /><br />Your article raises questions about whether this ideological perspective is factually correct?<br /><br /><br />Although we disagree about public student loans, the one thing I will say is that even the government's assumption is that consumers and markets are rational, and, therefore, this justifies the student loans. <br /><br />There are people here who probably agree with you about public loans because they believe it distorts the perfect market that would magically address the issue of the educational crisis in the U.S. <br /><br />They are probably now feeling uncomfortable your suggestion that there's a factual problem with the ideological of rational consumers and markets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-52560420923096441202012-01-29T16:03:06.693-08:002012-01-29T16:03:06.693-08:00the places on this map: white people's map of ...the places on this map: <a href="http://skidknee.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/x1hzjm.jpg" rel="nofollow">white people's map of NYC</a> are the most homogenous and boring parts of the world. Old money, new money, and clueless post education pre-suburb "young-adults" who's parents still pay their rent. <br /><br />Unless you <i>need</i> a molecular gastronomy cupcake served to you by an Oberlin grad with full sleeve tattoo of an ironic crying clown.terry malloynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53190498426758273152012-01-29T15:52:49.957-08:002012-01-29T15:52:49.957-08:00Manhattan is like every other place of great wealt...Manhattan is like every other place of great wealth in the country, and the world. And after about a month its resplendent indifference becomes boring even to the wealthy. That's why they made the hamptons. <br /><br />@<i> wealth fantasy </i><br /><br />Exactly.terry malloynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35855344476281617712012-01-29T15:21:33.296-08:002012-01-29T15:21:33.296-08:00The horror that we've created. Decent people ...The horror that we've created. Decent people in honest conversations on how to write off the debts of professionals who make three to four times the median income. Is it any wonder that we have so little left for the poor and working classes. William OckhamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26985992345348023532012-01-29T15:11:12.241-08:002012-01-29T15:11:12.241-08:00Sex In The City - I caught a couple of episodes. ...Sex In The City - I caught a couple of episodes. Amazingly it's a wealth fantasy, not a sex fantasy. Ezzard CharlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31617279220962278252012-01-29T15:03:38.729-08:002012-01-29T15:03:38.729-08:00Yes, but it is like no other place in the country,...Yes, but it is like no other place in the country, maybe the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16415755009027310802012-01-29T14:55:45.087-08:002012-01-29T14:55:45.087-08:00Living in Manhattan is like buying a yacht - a pur...Living in Manhattan is like buying a yacht - a purely personal luxury purchase. William OckhamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com