tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post8409737383536759852..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: More signs of progressLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79512535208362200452011-11-25T02:59:01.008-08:002011-11-25T02:59:01.008-08:00I'm pretty sure the USNWR article will come of...I'm pretty sure the USNWR article will come off in support of law schools and the status quo, they always have, they will probably use those way too high NALP figures that are begrudgingly lowered in every new article in which that organization is quoted week after week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34192002357760778552011-11-21T10:45:01.574-08:002011-11-21T10:45:01.574-08:00No one disagreed that you were a success story out...No one disagreed that you were a success story out of NYU's LLM program. The quibble was with your statement that there are (excluding the rare exception), good jobs on NYU's job board.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-31287570767806150422011-11-18T16:37:17.813-08:002011-11-18T16:37:17.813-08:00Because the firm that hired me told me and I didn&...Because the firm that hired me told me and I didn't see the posting on all the public boards I scoured.<br /><br />I supposed I was lied to and missed it on lawcrossing, etc. But why is it so hard to believe that there is a single success story attributed to the NYU LLM program?<br /><br />I believe the scamblogs but am turned off by the steadfast refusal to acknowledge that some people can still make a decent living going to law school. <br /><br />Yes the odds are stacked, school teaches nothing of value to practice, tuition is a joke, etc. I'm not saying my story justifies the program (the Cooley athlete analogy). But in my case, it worked out. <br /><br />Lawprof has moved on and so will I. I wanted to give some credit to NYU is because it did much more for me than my tier 1 JD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68277404725955851042011-11-18T11:04:31.993-08:002011-11-18T11:04:31.993-08:007:32 how would you know where else the job was pos...7:32 how would you know where else the job was posted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-27945375489398089192011-11-18T08:34:38.101-08:002011-11-18T08:34:38.101-08:004:05 The documentary is good until they start blam...4:05 The documentary is good until they start blaming the students. And they never suggest price controls- they just assume if the government gets out of the market tuition will go down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-17952941238427335962011-11-18T07:32:05.874-08:002011-11-18T07:32:05.874-08:00All I can say is that the job I got was posted at ...All I can say is that the job I got was posted at NYU and a few others. I would not even know it existed if I did not have access. Maybe not worth the LLM tuition, but worth more than my Tier 1 JD.<br /><br />Is there an abundance of available law jobs posted at NYU or any school for that matter? Of course not. But some firms post selectively to minimize the deluge of applications. This I can attest to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81950838984669664782011-11-18T06:52:15.893-08:002011-11-18T06:52:15.893-08:00I was barely with you until the line about the goo...I was barely with you until the line about the good jobs on nyu's job board. That's a load of crap as bl1y can verify. post the good jobs you claim exist on there. <br /><br />NYU's 500 student LLM program rivals only Cooley in opportunism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18450940226688110082011-11-18T02:12:15.286-08:002011-11-18T02:12:15.286-08:00"very honorable move by USC that nyu can lear..."very honorable move by USC that nyu can learn from. NYU's abuse of the llm program is Cooley-esque in its opportunism. They let 500 (yes 500) llm students in each year all of whom end up no better off than when they completed their jd."<br /><br />I'm going to offer a mild defense of NYU's LLM programs. Many of these students are foreign and are paying for the privilege of taking the bar exam. Some will get foreign associate jobs in the US through family and work connections, others will have enhanced marketability with US law license. Most, however, will just go back home without tens of thousands of dollars.<br /><br />I was able to benefit tremendously from my NYU LLM, but am definitely an exception. NYU opened doors sealed shut by my Tier 1 JD, such as jobs posted exclusively on their web site. I did feel like a second class student from the administration and faculty, but the LLM paid off for me. I would not recommend it as a safe bet, but with hard work & luck an NYU LLM can greatly enhance the employment prosects unimpressive JD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-67460588838908468362011-11-17T18:32:38.337-08:002011-11-17T18:32:38.337-08:00Was driving in my car and heard my law school adve...Was driving in my car and heard my law school advertising on the radio:<br /><br />The ad said that there are 135 "practice ready" lawyers from the school ready to work. Had to pull over to stop from laughing. Never heard them on the radio before. I guess they must be having trouble getting idiots in the door.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-57643437999789584462011-11-17T16:05:19.648-08:002011-11-17T16:05:19.648-08:00Educational Conspiraacy
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Educational Conspiraacy<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=pyv&ad=6739540474&kw=obama<br /><br />Long but VERY interesting and relevantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74033642875340929492011-11-17T12:57:20.073-08:002011-11-17T12:57:20.073-08:00The employment figures may be the most important, ...The employment figures may be the most important, but the rest of the figures are important, too. Its all part of the scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-66843915314731540702011-11-17T12:24:59.449-08:002011-11-17T12:24:59.449-08:00Reading Surowiecki's live discussion. What an...Reading Surowiecki's live discussion. What an incredible load of crapola. Just the same shallow pap form an academic who spews the same BS. He doesn't even have a grasp of the main issues. So disappointing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65891153749093908932011-11-17T11:25:37.269-08:002011-11-17T11:25:37.269-08:00I haven't been keeping up with this blog latel...I haven't been keeping up with this blog lately, but read it a lot for the first 6-8 weeks. Am so glad to see not only that LawProf has kept this going, but that it is getting a wider audience via interviews, etc. Bravo, and thank you, LawProf. I post the item below realizing it's not directly related to law school issues, but b/c student debt in general seems to be getting a lot more attention in the media recently.<br /><br />So, if anyone wants to participate in this live chat:<br /><br /><br />The New Yorker<br />Why has student debt gotten so out of control? Join James Surowiecki for a live chat today at 3PM ET, or leave a question for him here: http://nyr.kr/tcFiay<br /><br />Ask the Author: Ask the Author Live: James Surowiecki on the Cost of College<br />www.newyorker.com<br />This week in the magazine, James Surowiecki writes about college tuition, student-loan debt, and unemployment. On Thursday, November 17th, at 3 P.M. E.T., Surowiecki will answer readers’ questions in a live chat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10707302234770335292011-11-17T11:11:22.490-08:002011-11-17T11:11:22.490-08:00Fudging the figures to move up a few spots??? Don...Fudging the figures to move up a few spots??? Don't think so. This act just gives the impression of prestige. The TRUE problem is the fudging of employment stats by the schools, not the fudging of other numbers to move up the rankings. When a low ranked shithole is hovering at 80-90% employment, they are attempting to justify their tuition based upon a set of lies. This is the fundamental problem. Nobody gives a shit about rankings, LSATS, library size, etc. In the end, it is job placement rates as they compare to tuition cost. The rankings (again outside the top six) are just window dressing to give the consumer the impression that rankings matter. This is why people outside the top six are struggling to get jobs. I have even read that it is hard(er) to get jobs within the top six....just not that hard.<br /><br />Think I am wrong? How do you think the cost of the shittiest ranked schools are roughly comparable with the best schools regardless of whether it is ranked 25th or 155th? Phony job placement rates justify the increases-coupled with phony salary information. Easy credit seals the deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20435232251482300362011-11-17T11:10:06.529-08:002011-11-17T11:10:06.529-08:00We focus on school cheating with their employment ...We focus on school cheating with their employment stats, and to some degree about their misrep of incoming class LSAT scores. <br /><br />What about student faculty ratios? Those numbers are about as misleading as employment stats. My school has 1:10, but in realty 4/5 of my 2L classes have 70+ people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38889069421939125112011-11-17T10:56:34.118-08:002011-11-17T10:56:34.118-08:00It does matter that lower ranked schools like Hofs...It does matter that lower ranked schools like Hofstra are fudging the figures because law students are using those figures to choose what law school to go to. They are spending money and wasting time that could be used productively on lies. Student faculty ratio is important because it indicates class size.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-88684524388433984402011-11-17T10:46:51.538-08:002011-11-17T10:46:51.538-08:0010:28 AM
Agreed. I am AGREEING with you. It is ...10:28 AM<br /><br />Agreed. I am AGREEING with you. It is the employers that don't care (again, outside the top six). The Deans give the impression to prospective students and the students care because they don't know any better. Why???? You guessed it: so the students are more willing to pay for it.<br /><br />Let me finish it for you:<br /><br />"Deans know that higher ranked = higher LSAT/GPA profile of the entering class = higher rankings."=justification in charging higher tuition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55334794761055148792011-11-17T10:28:07.403-08:002011-11-17T10:28:07.403-08:0010:13: The reason deans care is because of the pre...10:13: The reason deans care is because of the prestige obsessed students. Students are driven to go to the highest ranked schools for many reasons, including better job prospects, more accomplished and intelligent classmates, or even more attaboys from family, friends, and acquaintances. Deans know that higher ranked = higher LSAT/GPA profile of the entering class = higher rankings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-25631466929351805522011-11-17T10:13:47.556-08:002011-11-17T10:13:47.556-08:009:55:
Deans will cheat to move up three spots bec...9:55:<br /><br />Deans will cheat to move up three spots because they live in an academic bubble-world...but employer's don't really care. Do you really think that St. John's moving up or down in relation to Hofstra really matters in the eyes of Skaden, Latham, or even small firms and/or solos?!?!?!? No...it only matters to Deans who run these shit holes. <br /><br />Ever notice how, when looking at the US News' lies, the job stats, tuition cost, and LSAT scores are comparable amongst various groups of law schools? In other words ten schools will have similar stats, then another ten (slightly lower but comparable), then another ten. The schools give prospective law students (mouth breathing loan signers) the false impression that a few spots on the ranking system matter. They don't. I remember my law school moved from the fourth tier to the first tier in a few years. Did the big firms come running before or after the move?!?!?! No....why?...my school was still outside the top six. However....that did not stop them from jacking up tuition and advertising the shit out of the upward mobility of the school.<br /><br />This shit matters only to Deans so they can justify higher tuition costs. What REALLY matters to employers are those schools in the tops six. The big firms higher from there. Who gives a shit about some school in the third tier fudging LSAT scores or some other crap. Everyone knows it goes on but it does not matter to employers. Better to do mediocre work at Yale than graduate tops in your class at good old TJ. Just ask Alaburda.<br /><br />Open your eyes, the game is rigged.<br /><br />PS: I didn't even know Hofstra had a law school until my second year!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24739514250644839422011-11-17T10:08:39.976-08:002011-11-17T10:08:39.976-08:00very honorable move by USC that nyu can learn from...very honorable move by USC that nyu can learn from. NYU's abuse of the llm program is Cooley-esque in its opportunism. They let 500 (yes 500) llm students in each year all of whom end up no better off than when they completed their jd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-8921619934102936022011-11-17T09:55:03.233-08:002011-11-17T09:55:03.233-08:008:29 what planet do you live on? It may not matte...8:29 what planet do you live on? It may not matter to you where a laws school is ranked, but it sure matters to the law schools. US News rankings are what drives the whole thing. Deans will cheat and lie to go from 67 to 64.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-72178809777925080482011-11-17T09:54:59.343-08:002011-11-17T09:54:59.343-08:00"...will begin the program when it is confide..."...will begin the program when it is confident that the career prospects of its tax LL.M. graduates would match those of its J.D. graduates."<br /><br />So what's keeping them from starting the program?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-33591387740375538492011-11-17T09:54:02.274-08:002011-11-17T09:54:02.274-08:00Not an attack. All faculty not addressing the lar...Not an attack. All faculty not addressing the largest issue involving law schools are complicit. He benefits from government guaranteed non-dischargeable debt while calling himself a libertarian. And why should he profit off of students in a false market? Just cuz?<br /><br />All these profs need to be harangued and made to feel uncomfortable everywhere they go until things change. They fully deserve it and otherwise it will be ignored. But hey, you keep hoping things just change.<br /><br />Im slowly starting to agree with steroid boy....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36002216345300133382011-11-17T09:42:57.310-08:002011-11-17T09:42:57.310-08:00I think the attack on Lessig in the reddit thread ...I think the attack on Lessig in the reddit thread is counter productive. I suppose it might be reaching an audience who could benefit from hearing it, but the tone and the use of all capital letters makes the author look like a nut.<br /> <br />Not only that, but I really do think Harvard professors get a pass on this. If anybody is selling something worth buying, its them. If any school is not fudging their numbers, its Harvard. I would not say the same thing for the Stanford Dean actively campaigning against the scamblogs, but Lessig doesn't seem to be doing that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-75186340865636869142011-11-17T09:26:45.271-08:002011-11-17T09:26:45.271-08:00I'm a 3L who'd be happy to talk to this re...I'm a 3L who'd be happy to talk to this reporter. Feel free to give him this address:<br /><br />BryLV426 (at) yahooBreezyWheezehttp://www.fark.comnoreply@blogger.com