tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post7546103106767850476..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: J.D. not preferredLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49633606370939016982013-02-23T15:46:30.552-08:002013-02-23T15:46:30.552-08:00LAW PROF. IS FIRST AND ONLY ONE TOLD THE JD GRADS ...LAW PROF. IS FIRST AND ONLY ONE TOLD THE JD GRADS who had been trained for 3-4 years facing big problems .<br />NO one , even judge, even ABA/ STATE SUPREME COURT PANELS are silent for law grads, the worst being made is ABA/ each State prohibited law grads, J.D. ( who has no license) CAN NOT GIVE LEGAL ADVICE. YOU see? Such inhibition violated US Constitution---FIRST AMENDMENT--FREE SPEECH.<br />Each person can give a legal advice , even 3 years old child too. The mater is the person takes in or not. i.e giving medicines input, the matter is the person will take it in or not. i.e. advice person eating taco bell will get slim/fat, the matter is the person will take that advice or not. SO, paralegal, J.D giving legal advice does not constituent illegal . ABA/ State set such rule purposely, strip down the people's knowledge . , to abetting only license attorney twist the law as wants. What / where ethic rules? Is ABA/State permit them to twist?<br />ABA is a profit association does not have authority to accredit each law school, .....only State can do. But whether grads from accredited law school or not, if once been in and paid tuition , .trained as set for credits, graduated from it, the title of J.D.earned. As a professional with other fields degree grads. Giving a legal advice who needs is certainty. <br /><br />The rule came down from ABA/ State to PROHIBITED J.D. of free speech on legal issue ,..... is lunatic, unreasonable, unacceptable. We need to revise it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-90655976188152943022013-02-23T10:58:28.122-08:002013-02-23T10:58:28.122-08:00ABA does not have authority to accredit law school...ABA does not have authority to accredit law school,. ABA is a profit association gets into law areas, does not have AUTHORITY given accreditation to each law school. The law schools shall NOT take ABA into account , binding by it. Only each State in US , has authority given law school accreditation. <br /><br />Law school self is NOT a schemer, so as law professors. They are doing academic education, same as other degree learning.<br />J.D. degree grads obtaining degree that had paid and learned. Its a law degree ,as same as other legal professionals. SHALL be able giving a legal advice to a client. ONLY if not licensed , then unable present a client in the court as behalf of client, as mouthpiece to the client , which I agreed.<br /><br /> NOW, the rule came down from ABA and Each State complied together prohibited J.D. who had no license , CAN NOT give a legal advice ,......WHICH IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. SUCH RULING.<br /><br />SUCH RULING NEEDS TO BE REVISED. . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-90916182802367084332012-12-05T21:02:51.290-08:002012-12-05T21:02:51.290-08:00The law school is not a scam, Law Profs, are no...The law school is not a scam, Law Profs, are not scammers, they are pretty competent . The only obstacle is---- ABA/ STATE COURT set the rule , prohibited JD grads can not give legal advice/ bring client to the court. Which is --monopolized controlling law systems and schools/ Law Profs, and JD grads.<br />The rule is --violated FIRST AMENDMENT --US CONSTITUTION.<br />The real scammers are ABA/ STATE COURT,setting such rule to abetting license attorney to scam on the one needs legal help....freely.<br />ABA/ STATE COURT SET THAT RULE IS LUNATIC.<br />ABA/STATE COURT set that rule undermined JD grads abilities, in returned school/ Law Profs are incompetent.<br /><br />WE NEED TO REVISE/REFORM THIS RULE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-50996875865357477952012-12-04T20:45:38.005-08:002012-12-04T20:45:38.005-08:00That's right, meet Sand, if JD grads can not ...That's right, meet Sand, if JD grads can not give legal advice, help people the needs of legal advice; ABA/ STATE COURT RULED on JD grads abilities ,denied JD training for 3-4 years, its reflected to law schools, Law Prof.are all incompetent. Might as well, meet Sand.<br /><br />ABA/STATE can only be a watch dog on each lawyer, whoever work related with legal materials, discipline them if gone wrong, ( defraud,scam...),... except making a rules to denied JD grads abilities. <br /><br />ABA scammed on law schools, scammed on law students. We are still silent. Shall we? NO. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24911486492762024372012-12-03T19:50:56.648-08:002012-12-03T19:50:56.648-08:00Being posted this issue---JD grads can not give le...Being posted this issue---JD grads can not give legal advice?!!!!!This is a seriously issue, why not have been discussing /discovered about? why no one look in to the law systems crafted the inhibitions. Such unthinkable controlling is violated FIRST AMENDMENT OF US constitution.<br /><br />JD grad , no license, still shall/ can give legal advice to the one needs , which in return people/client will not afraid / deter by licensed attorney. <br /><br />MONOPOLIZATION system a pushing law systems to the edge,shadowed,mazed the future/ new comers. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44516126150412951232012-11-30T20:56:31.732-08:002012-11-30T20:56:31.732-08:00 See this what ABA/ STATE made for JD grads ?
Wor... See this what ABA/ STATE made for JD grads ?<br />Worse to come/ being ruled --ABA/STATE limited JD grads can not give advice,and draft legal paper for fee, can not present client in the court , what else JD grads can do? Really nothing, except hanging up your diploma on the wall. Good looking.<br /><br />We shall convert their restrictions, we shall push forward whoever grads law school are able to do legal work for client for fee. Law grads had 3-4 years training why not can not do legal work? Why has to be only licensed attorney ?<br /><br />ABA/STATE can only be a watch dog , as disciplinarian for those legal workers for disciplinary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81114727503764118052012-11-30T20:42:28.996-08:002012-11-30T20:42:28.996-08:00Thanks Law Pro, brought up this blog.
As law Pro. ...Thanks Law Pro, brought up this blog.<br />As law Pro. indication---- J.D. not preferred<br />A crisis facing law school graduates, and even some acknowledgement of the extent to which law schools are no longer operating on the basis of a sustainable business model.<br /><br />I would like t point it out reasons---ABA/STATE limited JD grads unable to give legal advice, unable to draft any legal paper for fee, unable present client in court, ..which restricted any legal work for JD grads( who does no obtained license to practice). What let can do? NOTHING. The consequence is why youngest go to law school for?<br /><br />PLUS, licensed attorney can not cross state to present client freely unless registered with court first. <br /><br />ABA/ STATE shall evaluate law grads abilities and valuation, whether licensed or not. . ABA/ STATE can be a center of disciplinary for attorney, JD grads, legal workers ,whoever work with legal materials. By this ways will gain---1>getting more students to law school.2>boots finance for law school.3>more jobs created in society. 4> gain competition legal works for people. know what is a quality work , what is a quality legal workers.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73365481084144503892012-11-30T20:21:06.755-08:002012-11-30T20:21:06.755-08:00This is a big problems in out law school + ABA/ ST...This is a big problems in out law school + ABA/ STATE , THEY DID NOT SEE what JD grads had trained + abilities what they can do if does not have licensed.<br /><br />What a false hope in law school? If you JD grads did not get licensed to practice, you worth nothing, you wasted money , time for 3-4 years + debts.<br /><br />ABA/STATE limited JD grads can not give advice,and draft legal paper for fee, can not present client in the court , what else JD grads can do? Really nothing, except hanging up your diploma on the wall. Good looking.<br /><br />We need to change ,we need to push forward this aspect to be valuable and useful. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51897289598680565172012-11-30T20:01:18.417-08:002012-11-30T20:01:18.417-08:00It does open JD grads eyes.
Monopolized by ABA/ ...It does open JD grads eyes. <br />Monopolized by ABA/ STATE, LICENSE Attorneys,<br /><br />JD grads had spent huge money , trained for 3-4 years, even can not touch any legal work. What's good about this? <br /><br />We need to convert such unthinkable controlling. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11119370650668843862012-11-30T19:53:43.150-08:002012-11-30T19:53:43.150-08:00JUST SEE FOR THEIR OWN PAYMENTS.JUST SEE FOR THEIR OWN PAYMENTS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74104162177322458992012-11-30T19:51:43.802-08:002012-11-30T19:51:43.802-08:00AGREED. You wrote----A good professional educatio...AGREED. You wrote----A good professional education is important and valuable. JD grads shall able to do/work any related with legal . But did you see, ABA/ State restricted JD grads, no license to practice of law, to give legal advice, draft legal paper for fee?<br /> <br />No license to practice law can not present a client in the court which I agreed, just like other career needs license, i.g. electrician, CPA, ...etc.<br /> <br />JD grads being trained for 3-4 years, did not get license to practice of law , can not even give a legal advice, draft a legal paper? <br /><br />What is all good about this---professional education is important and valuable.???????<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-79266402828434018052012-11-30T19:35:22.541-08:002012-11-30T19:35:22.541-08:00professor , can you see the JD grads , no license...professor , can you see the JD grads , no license , can not give legal advice/ can not draft a legal paper , can not do any legal related stuffs, the rules were ruled by ABA/ State , what good to spend huge money, time, to get JD degree? <br /><br />JD grads been trained for 3-4 years intensively, shall be as a legal profession, shall be able to do the work related with legal . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77162344482803424582012-11-30T19:22:17.320-08:002012-11-30T19:22:17.320-08:00I agreed. ABA and Each State can not see, did ...I agreed. ABA and Each State can not see, did not care the JD grads abilities, stripped down their degree , undermined their legal abilities.<br /><br />ABA/ Each State shall let those law school grads work related with what have trained in the school by the person's wishes to adapt such works. <br /><br />ABA/State can only be a center for disciplinary of lawyers/attorneys , JD grads,legal workers , whoever work related with legal, as a watch dog. By such way, society will not be controlled by licensed attorneys, fools by licensed attorneys, monopoly by licensed attorney. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44284529346876894322012-11-30T19:07:06.945-08:002012-11-30T19:07:06.945-08:00Well written.
Professors want his job that'...Well written. <br /> Professors want his job that's why encourage people get into school to maintained his payment monthly.<br />They can not foresee whether the grads can get a job related with they've been trained with 4 years tuition . <br />JD degree grads can not give legal advice , can not do any related with legal papers, can not present client to the court, ....what left JD can do with legal stuffs? What's good about getting JD degree can not do the work related with what you have trained?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-8244935271179404652012-09-25T20:30:53.110-07:002012-09-25T20:30:53.110-07:00If your study of the law has not taught you "...If your study of the law has not taught you "any analytic skills" in six years, you are wasting your time and money. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7243479076630800142012-01-14T18:38:41.258-08:002012-01-14T18:38:41.258-08:00Law Prof. If it is a scam, which I believe it is, ...Law Prof. If it is a scam, which I believe it is, why are you staying inside the bullish*t? Quit your job and come out! Be a man or woman!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-14977340067598732032012-01-09T23:17:01.501-08:002012-01-09T23:17:01.501-08:00It is very intellectual one to say.
importance o...It is very intellectual one to say.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.educationrequirements.org/importance-of-drafting-education-requirements.html" rel="nofollow">importance of drafting education requirements</a>jaylen watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246576951108532477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13167902959335487732012-01-08T13:29:01.506-08:002012-01-08T13:29:01.506-08:001:13 again.
PS: I guess you could say I have a so...1:13 again.<br /><br />PS: I guess you could say I have a somewhat personal stake in the matter. I recently heard from a fellow graduate who was hired at a firm for $500 a month to work 80-hour workweeks. He was told by the employer that the employer was doing him a favor by taking him under his wing and teaching him, as he hadn't learned any skills in law school. He readily acquiesced, although I should mentioned he had graduated and had been working in legal jobs for at least two years. Several months later he found out that the employer thought that his skills were apparently valuable enough to charge the client $250 an hour. (My friend, meanwhile, was making less than $2 an hour for 'learning,' and he was one of the practice-ready graduates I referred to in an earlier post. His employer rarely had to teach him anything.)<br /><br />They will pay what you ask for. If we don't believe our skills are worth anything and don't demand a sufficient salary for them, they won't pay it. And buying into the law school doesn't teach you anything is just feeding into their excuse as to why they don't have to pay us anything for our labor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29000745604383147712012-01-08T13:13:06.497-08:002012-01-08T13:13:06.497-08:00True, but if learning practical skills didn't ...True, but if learning practical skills didn't improve the employment options of the other 75% of the students (and from what I hear from my fellow unemployed graduates, it didn't), I doubt it will change things much. <br /><br />Again, I think that when the market is allowed to commit hiring abuses that are not scrutinized, a large portion of the problem will remain and I say this because I see the huge damage being done by ignoring the federal law on the restrictions on internships. I recently did a job search in the public sector and discovered that about 80% of the 'jobs' offered were unpaid internships.<br /><br />How the hell is anyone going to get a job (skilled or unskilled as that individual may be) if there aren't jobs to begin with? This is killing the market and taking advantage of individuals who are so desperate to remain in the legal field that they will do almost anything. While a few partners or leaders of organizations and certain members of the public may benefit initially from the free labor, ultimately, the graduates, everyone else in the profession and the general public ends up paying the price in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73650914393249978322012-01-08T12:55:20.618-08:002012-01-08T12:55:20.618-08:00Not everyone goes to a lower tier school, in fact,...Not everyone goes to a lower tier school, in fact, 25% of students are in a top 50 school.<br /><br />If those schools focused more on practical skills, you might see a change in hiring for those students.<br /><br />It obviously doesn't fix the whole market, but it's certainly an improvement.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71573343976252470112012-01-08T12:51:39.492-08:002012-01-08T12:51:39.492-08:00"The fact that lower tiered grads aren't ..."The fact that lower tiered grads aren't being hired is almost certainly because of the tier of the school, not the type of education provided there." - BL1Y<br /><br />BL1Y: That's exactly my point. Regardless of the training a person receives, he or she is going to be told by an employer that he or she is going to get paid less. That's not because of a lack of training. That's because of the market and the fact that employers are taking advantage of it royally. <br /><br />If greater skills training won't open up any doors, then why are bloggers focusing on it as if it is going to change the status quo of the current situation? The large number of lower-tiered graduates who have graduated from a skills-oriented school who still remain unemployed are a testament to the fact that focusing on increasing skills training at law schools isn't going to change anything.<br /><br />What needs to change are two things, one that bloggers currently have focused on and one that they have not: the law schools and the legal market. Law schools have gotten plenty of focus so I don't need to add to it. But some of the dishonest practices being used by legal employers (some are even illegal) are getting little focus and they are severely damaging the market, practices such as continually hiring unpaid interns to do the work or hiring individuals for wages that end up amounting to less than minimum wage. And I probably don't need to mention the effect that opening up the market to foreign attorneys who have not incurred the same amount of debt for their legal education that American attorneys are required to do has done to the legal market. <br /><br />I think it's great to continue to put the legal education industry under scrutiny. But legal employers who have exploited the situation to the point that they are not only destroying the futures of upcoming attorneys but are also damaging the profession and the country as a whole (afterall, it's the American public who is on the hook for all these loans that graduates can't pay back because they are continually doing legal work for free) should also be scrutinized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-60573242764067112982012-01-08T12:25:24.949-08:002012-01-08T12:25:24.949-08:00I call complete bullshit on this idea that "l...I call complete bullshit on this idea that "lower tiered schools" teach actual skills in law school.<br /><br />I graduated from the shit third tier law school called the University of Arkansas -<br /><br />This shit school DID NOT teach me ANYTHING about law practice.<br /><br />When I confronted the garbage Dean who makes 200k+ per year about the lack of actual skill, her response was, "Well, our tuition is very low, and that gives our graduates A LOT of flexibility!"<br /><br />Kill this idiot. NOW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86635643067873272762012-01-08T11:04:52.419-08:002012-01-08T11:04:52.419-08:00BL1y: I'd have to think graduates of lower-tie...BL1y: I'd have to think graduates of lower-tiered schools would be at a great advantage in going solo if only they had lower debt. It's the fact that the "skills training" school costs the same as a big firm feeder schools that really hampers the options of these graduates. Instead they are forced to take jobs at small firms, who do not have the same pressure biglaw firms do to keep salaries at a market level.bored3Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-91868287064943908602012-01-08T10:59:09.051-08:002012-01-08T10:59:09.051-08:00You are right. It is astonishing to see so many pe...You are right. It is astonishing to see so many people take employers' word at face value. They do not want to pay anyone...workers, lawyers...anyone. And they are sitting on more piles of cash than any people since the Gilded Age--partners and the companies who hire them. And the problem is...law schools aren't teaching students to be practice ready on Day One. Right..and as you say, they will not hire at places that do teach more skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28498525708091262852012-01-08T10:51:07.656-08:002012-01-08T10:51:07.656-08:00You're comparing apples and oranges. The fact ...You're comparing apples and oranges. The fact that lower tiered grads aren't being hired is almost certainly because of the tier of the school, not the type of education provided there. That doesn't tell us if once you cross the rank threshold your skills training makes a difference.<br /><br />And, you have to consider the larger number of students going solo, where that experience will make a big difference, regardless of what hiring managers care about.<br /><br />We have also seen plenty of large institutional clients refusing to have first and second years staffed on their cases. They're cheaper by the hour, but require longer hours due to their inexperience. That greatly depresses the demand for young lawyers.<br /><br />Greater skills training might not open up many doors, but is there any chance it would close them? I can't imagine employers saying "no no, I don't want to hire you because you know how to form a corporation, I need someone who can discuss sociological origins of the Occupy movement."BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.com