tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post6727388709755823614..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: 20 years of schooling and they put you on the day shiftLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78797549936183720192011-09-23T06:04:22.865-07:002011-09-23T06:04:22.865-07:00Ahh. More examples of the ole JD degree opening do...Ahh. More examples of the ole JD degree opening doors for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74076176456422574242011-09-22T13:07:51.489-07:002011-09-22T13:07:51.489-07:00I'd prefer to march on just one school.I'd prefer to march on just one school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-41095220747155934512011-09-22T12:31:36.046-07:002011-09-22T12:31:36.046-07:009:10 pm: Leiter, like Henderson and Tamanaha, has...9:10 pm: Leiter, like Henderson and Tamanaha, has been calling attention to fraudulent placement stats and calling for more transparency for years. Campos is a latecomer to all this. Leiter's Rant about Campos is just some weird personal thing, if you follow his blog, you would know he's written about this and always calls attention to Henderson's and Tamanaha's work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44776570771954711752011-09-22T12:05:24.860-07:002011-09-22T12:05:24.860-07:00I really think it's time for you lawyers and y...I really think it's time for you lawyers and young lawyers to get together and march on Washington. It would be a real wake up for the country if we could get say a 100,000 out of work attorney's and law students marching on the capital. I'm not an attorney, just the father of a 2011 grad and now a sworn in attorney. He has a temp job in the legal field, but he could make more money as a bus-boy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61505000240946233212011-09-22T00:58:35.487-07:002011-09-22T00:58:35.487-07:00"Good example of how some qualifications leav..."Good example of how some qualifications leave people over-qualified for a high-level entry but under-qualified for a low-level entry."<br /><br />Shoot. Other way round.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36461465390511189782011-09-21T23:24:59.236-07:002011-09-21T23:24:59.236-07:00PS - Oh, but I guess there's still places open...PS - Oh, but I guess there's still places open at the Pittsburgh Steelers for those management jobs you need a law degree to get.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-46434554528175086752011-09-21T23:00:24.867-07:002011-09-21T23:00:24.867-07:00What would be a better investment of time for a 22...What would be a better investment of time for a 22 year old?<br /><br />(a) Spend three years in Hollywood waiting tables and trying to make it as a movie star, or <br /><br />(b) Spend three years at a tier 2/3/4 law school?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-85302542225327284632011-09-21T22:19:19.292-07:002011-09-21T22:19:19.292-07:00@8.17 - Jesus Christ. Relevant comment from the sa...@8.17 - Jesus Christ. Relevant comment from the same thread:<br /><br /><b>"Do restaurants in LA fear their servers striking it big in Hollywood? The odds of the transition seem about similar in many cases."</b><br /><br />Good example of how some qualifications leave people over-qualified for a high-level entry but under-qualified for a low-level entry.Gilman Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607416440240634159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-19229520532194830922011-09-21T21:10:17.617-07:002011-09-21T21:10:17.617-07:00Could you imagine a medical office putting out an ...Could you imagine a medical office putting out an ad for a nurse's assistant (the person who takes your blood pressure and other easy tasks) or an administrator, and having hundreds of licensed MDs apply for that job?<br /><br />But no matter how often you point out stories like this, you will still have people like Brian Leiter refusing to fix what is obviously a heartbreaking and outrageous problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65585632560321094452011-09-21T20:33:20.727-07:002011-09-21T20:33:20.727-07:00"It's hard to find any product, save crac..."It's hard to find any product, save crack cocaine, that causes ruin for 85 percent of it's users." ---- Ron Susskind<br /><br />An observation that one could apply to law school.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23890242738115930732011-09-21T20:17:08.522-07:002011-09-21T20:17:08.522-07:00This is what happens when law schools lie:
FrankD...This is what happens when law schools lie:<br /><br />FrankDux (Sep 21 - 6:52 pm)<br /><br />Ok, so i've known that it's really bad out there....but, wow, now I really feel bad. <br /><br />My boss put an ad out today for a part-time secretary/clerk to order medical records and obtain Medicare lien amounts. The girl who was doing it before was a joke and barely showed up so my boss got rid of her. <br /><br />3 hours later my boss calls me into his office to tell me he already had over 50 relpies and most of them were JDs or licensed attorneys. I really felt bad at that moment. He said "I can't hire any of them because once they find an attorney position they will leave in a second."<br /><br />http://qfora.com/jdu/thread.php?threadId=20609Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81445755705925083022011-09-21T18:47:48.805-07:002011-09-21T18:47:48.805-07:00This is my advice to students ...
DO NOT attend a ...This is my advice to students ...<br />DO NOT attend a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th T Law School.... You WILL not get a job....<br /><br />Recruiters go to the Top 10 Top 14 Schools<br /><br />Look up the Top 250 Law Firms and check where they are doing their recruiting in August... If you attended one of the above schools, you will notice your school is not listed... They are not interested in you. Save your money.<br /><br />The students of the Top 10 Law Schools leave with 4, 5 offers .. I have a friend who got 11... Yes 11!<br /><br />I have another friend who attended Loyola in Chicago (#71) Graduated in 2010 and<br />did not get one offer....<br /><br />If you get accepted to a top 10 school GO!... Top 25... to Top 50, Iffy.... Any<br />School lower than that say ..Thanks.. But NO Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53415653150673986532011-09-21T17:59:57.010-07:002011-09-21T17:59:57.010-07:00@1:59 p.m.:
Transparency is the least controversi...@1:59 p.m.:<br /><br />Transparency is the least controversial reform being proposed.<br /><br />If you've got what it takes to convince law schools to charge less, or to convince the Department of Education to change the terms of funding graduate education for law schools alone, then you have my blessing to do whatever you can on those fronts.<br /><br />The first step, as the addicts say, is admitting you have a problem. Until we quantify how bad the problem is, why would anything change?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02282378622563612578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71732306682964078382011-09-21T17:09:19.641-07:002011-09-21T17:09:19.641-07:00The readers/participants of this Blog are not the ...The readers/participants of this Blog are not the only people worried about the substance of modern legal education. A blueprint for moving forward can be found here. http://tinyurl.com/3fh2zs8Law Office Computinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16741029082116341276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76217128493150589392011-09-21T16:22:27.130-07:002011-09-21T16:22:27.130-07:00It's about $350k 4:15. More for higher ranked ...It's about $350k 4:15. More for higher ranked schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37547129893445461642011-09-21T16:15:54.891-07:002011-09-21T16:15:54.891-07:00Does anyone know what the average salary for the d...Does anyone know what the average salary for the dean of a public law school is? Or what the salary range might be? Where/how could I find out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-75532650604281280582011-09-21T15:29:52.522-07:002011-09-21T15:29:52.522-07:003:12, combine that one page bold document with per...3:12, combine that one page bold document with perhaps a few hours of education about the law school scam and yes that should work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37680804018032869462011-09-21T15:25:30.946-07:002011-09-21T15:25:30.946-07:00@3:17 - I can agree to that. But step 1 won't...@3:17 - I can agree to that. But step 1 won't do much without step 2 which is why I find the focus on step 1 so strange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77126743394087934642011-09-21T15:17:45.662-07:002011-09-21T15:17:45.662-07:00@ 3:11
No I am not saying it is okay to charge su...@ 3:11<br /><br />No I am not saying it is okay to charge such a huge amount of tuition or for law schools to teach little of actual practice by professors that have not practiced themselves.<br /><br />But ultimately tuition and oversupply of law grads will ONLY be dealt with when applications plummet. And they only way to make it plummet is two-fold:<br /><br />1) Force all 0Ls to understand the risk of going. A <br />strongly worded disclaimer that the risk of law school paying off is low and making 0Ls sign it would certainly help!<br /><br />2) Limit the amount students can borrow, perhaps tied to IBR rates, make it at least partially dischargeable and force the law schools to have skin in the game so that when their students lose, they lose some too.<br /><br />Only these steps will work IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74180029956657749682011-09-21T15:12:45.174-07:002011-09-21T15:12:45.174-07:00@ 3:06
If the "disclaimer" was 10 pages...@ 3:06<br /><br />If the "disclaimer" was 10 pages of legalese then yes that would be true. But if it were one page consisting of one paragraph in bold print, I think the chances of it being read is pretty high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21526500234792763502011-09-21T15:11:35.668-07:002011-09-21T15:11:35.668-07:00@2:46 - steroid boy is back
@3:05 - so with trans...@2:46 - steroid boy is back<br /><br />@3:05 - so with transparency its still OK to demand $36 thou for tuition? Law Schools will still teach us how to be attorneys (not) for that $36,000? <br /><br />What a diversion from the real issues....this is like inspecting shoes of air travelers after the shoe bomber made his attempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-83547783916039219082011-09-21T15:06:45.219-07:002011-09-21T15:06:45.219-07:003:05, one problem with that is that just because y...3:05, one problem with that is that just because you agree to something doesn't mean you read it. Think of all the credit card, software and other agreements you've signed because you didn't want to read 10 pages of boilerplate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7844706420393916152011-09-21T15:05:12.798-07:002011-09-21T15:05:12.798-07:00@ LawProf
Instead of "transparency", wh...@ LawProf<br /><br />Instead of "transparency", why not just ban any marketing and statistics of law school prospects and have a somber disclaimer that students have to sign warning them that there is a very high likelihood that law school won't pay off as suggest @12:51.<br /><br />That should be good for the law schools too so that they can't be sued for fraudulently inducing naive students or being accused of making "false promises".<br /><br />At the same time if this is made explicit, 0Ls then can make a decision with full knowledge that they are taking a big gamble. And if they STILL choose to do so, then that is their risk to take but at least they did it with eyes open.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37066115098691420972011-09-21T14:46:20.549-07:002011-09-21T14:46:20.549-07:00Would you stfu already, AthiestATLLawyer, you lose...Would you stfu already, AthiestATLLawyer, you loser computer nerd who is scared to leave his house? If you have any balls head down to your former school and protest. Otherwise save it for your World of Warcraft clan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86825884747400885322011-09-21T14:43:21.087-07:002011-09-21T14:43:21.087-07:00I'm one of those animals. AND I'VE HAD ENO...I'm one of those animals. AND I'VE HAD ENOUGH.<br /><br />ENOUGH!<br /><br />The time for a RESPONSE has arrived. RISE UP.<br /><br />RISE THE FUCK UP.<br /><br />Fuck these law school scammers.<br /><br />FUCK THEM. AND FUCK THIS SHITTY COUNTRY.AtheistATLLawyernoreply@blogger.com