tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post6466253052313667685..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Tried and trueLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20290040281002029422013-01-03T15:36:13.421-08:002013-01-03T15:36:13.421-08:00You're right. I read aggression into the post ...You're right. I read aggression into the post that you hadn't intended. My bad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26929220750562274502013-01-02T18:28:42.284-08:002013-01-02T18:28:42.284-08:00Yes, people should do a little more research.
N...Yes, people should do a little more research. <br /><br />No - they're not completely at fault, and <br /><br />No - just because they listened to authority figures (who should not have been lying to them like used car salesmen), it doesn't mean they're incapable of thinking for themselves.<br /><br /><br />No - I didn't "tried to refute all three" of your examples. I provided moderation for what I took to be a relatively absolutist proposition from you.<br /><br />But hey - what's your story? You a special snowflake success saga?<br /><br />I guess that's what I am, but I don't cast absolutist blame at those who bought into a sales job from someone they should really have been able trust.<br /><br />As for "your aggressive debating techniques", I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Go back and re-read my original response dispassionately. <br /><br />Unless of course your own "aggressive" response is just because you feel some pathetic need to get into an anonymous internet fight, in which case you can go bugger yourself instead.<br /><br />Good day. Yes.... and no.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-41793835959729185862013-01-02T17:04:25.297-08:002013-01-02T17:04:25.297-08:00OK, so you tried to refute all three of my example...OK, so you tried to refute all three of my examples. But to what end did you put forward your refutations? What is <i>your</i> position? <br />I put forward the proposition "Why don't people research (their career choices) more?"<br />And you refuted my examples. So are you saying that it was not obvious 5 years ago that lawyers & PhDs in humanities were in oversupply?<br /><br />The aggressive approach to refuting each point presented seems to imply to a young lawyer that they 'won' the argument, when all they did was discredit the examples. Is that the primary skill achieved after buying a 3 year law degree? That, and knowing where the legal databases can be found to provide 'proof' for your aggressive debating techniques? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77828837045366909412013-01-01T18:42:02.288-08:002013-01-01T18:42:02.288-08:00Until this year when ABA required the schools'...Until this year when ABA required the schools' 2011 data to be usefully parsed, you could google your brains out an only find (a) the very misleading employment "data" from the LS's themselves and (b) idiots like Fernando with his feces photog fetishes.<br /><br />US Labor reports? Not useful even today. They claim the "average" lawyer makes $129K and that, on average, only 2% of lawyers are unemployed. The problem with the BLS info is that it fails to account, in any way, meaningful or otherwise, all those who fail to ever get work as lawyers.<br /><br />Guidance counselors in large part until the more useful 2011 came out, only could rely on the bilgewater pumped out by the law schools. If you think guidance counselors before that had any clue at all, you are tremendously naive.<br /><br /><br />As for the Ozzie you linked, well, sorry for her... ...but for crap sakes, no university in Oz in 2007 was ever claiming that PhD's in sociology were being employed at 95% rates, and all getting $100K jobs (the way US law schools have been doing).Yes.... and no.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82527605937234995972013-01-01T15:39:26.789-08:002013-01-01T15:39:26.789-08:00"Why do smart people stick to outmoded ideas?..."Why do smart people stick to outmoded ideas?"<br /><br />Great question. <br />And it's similar to my question, "Why don't people research more?" <br /><br />I read many articles about the highly educated who are unemployed, primarily lawyers and humanities professors, i.e., people who choose highly competitive labor markets, and then write how "they had no idea it would be this hard!". <br />These people don't seek evidence about their future industry, and they don't seek evidence that disproves their theory about their future career. Instead, they label all information as "negative" that doesn't agree with their already determined conclusion. <br /><br />With tools like Google, US Labor Reports, and school guidance counselors, there is no excuse for saying "I had no idea what i was getting into." Yet they do.<br /><br />It just proves that many people never learn to think for themselves, never learn how to make decisions. They are just conformist sheep with an ego that tells them they are brilliant. <br />http://unemployedphdforhire.blogspot.com/2012/02/oh-my-god-i-was-so-naiive.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82062817470412807832013-01-01T13:36:26.792-08:002013-01-01T13:36:26.792-08:00The California cases are proceeding to discovery. ...The California cases are proceeding to discovery. The New York cases resulted in an opinion that the tactics of law school deans were unethical. <br /><br />I expect there will be follow up ethical investigations into the new york deans.<br /><br />You can't concievably claim this rate not results.<br /><br />Remember- this isn't over yet . It is just starting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-58441915081644916942013-01-01T12:36:01.783-08:002013-01-01T12:36:01.783-08:00possibly A&P was hurt by suburban expansion an...possibly A&P was hurt by suburban expansion and flight of higher income consumers to those suburbs. Other chains were better situated to build new stores in the suburbs than A&P because the other chains were not tied to their old inner city locations. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-61592562535684301772013-01-01T11:48:58.876-08:002013-01-01T11:48:58.876-08:00Put a bullet in your head, Leiter.Put a bullet in your head, Leiter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-54811689391336390802013-01-01T08:22:38.132-08:002013-01-01T08:22:38.132-08:00@6:24 PM
Psychiatrists are probably writing a pap...@6:24 PM<br /><br />Psychiatrists are probably writing a paper about him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7634078595929532732013-01-01T04:13:07.260-08:002013-01-01T04:13:07.260-08:00Why in the hell do you keep saying the law school ...Why in the hell do you keep saying the law school business model is outmoded? <br /><br />FYI it just RAPED you morons in court. In fact, since you lost that court victory you're libeling the schools by accusing them of being a scam!<br /><br />Dumbasses you got owned, and you have no where left to fight. They got IBR student loan money, tons of applications and huge salaries. Meanwhile you sit on your computers and switch between porn and delusion. OWNED. KNOW YOUR PLACE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-75760525000506403202012-12-31T19:25:01.138-08:002012-12-31T19:25:01.138-08:00The A&P analogy is apt, but only to a point. ...The A&P analogy is apt, but only to a point. The rise of the A&P, as I understand it from Marc Levinson's amazing book -- The Great A&P-- was precisely because the company built a new business model. It was the A&P that destroyed mom and pop stores. There was no shortage of creative imagination at the inception. The A&P embodies the rise of mass retailing.<br /><br />It was only with the rise of mass discounting that the A&P proved too intransigent to take on the Kmarts, etc. in yet another re-invention of American retail.<br /><br />The best analogy I can think of: how Barnes and Noble devastated indie bookstores and is now, in turn, being devastated by the mass discounting of books by Amazon and Costco who will, in turn, likely be devastated by e-books.<br /><br />Why does the different narrative matter? Because, it could be argued, legal education has passed from its mass marketing phase to its mass discounting phase. And those that master the new phase will live on.<br /><br />You see, I suspect law school administrators are students of the A&P story themselves. They have just extracted a different lesson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-8362693046797681342012-12-31T18:24:19.560-08:002012-12-31T18:24:19.560-08:00How many personalities does this law school shilli...How many personalities does this law school shilling freak have?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11471347522842172722012-12-31T17:03:17.929-08:002012-12-31T17:03:17.929-08:00"Especially if the person you are insulting i..."Especially if the person you are insulting is known to everyone else."<br /><br />None of us knows if this JD Painterguy even exists. For all we know JD Painterguy could actually another alias for Epic Fail aka World Traveling Law Student.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23319044723801567662012-12-31T16:52:23.570-08:002012-12-31T16:52:23.570-08:00Do your movies on TCM have anything to do with us?...Do your movies on TCM have anything to do with us? <br /><br />Keep your promise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39740577183228156832012-12-31T15:09:07.248-08:002012-12-31T15:09:07.248-08:00Well played son. The court rules for the defendant...Well played son. The court rules for the defendant. You've changed my mind, the Challenger example was the perfect example to prove the point of declining market share and a failure to adapt to changing economic decisions.<br />-<br />I do want to take this time to wish Dr. Campos a Happy New Year. He continues to lead the charge in exposing a serious swindle in higher education. And I hope my weak criticism of one small example, which Dr. Campos made to support a much larger, 100% true idea, does not come across as criticism of any kind. Because Dr. Campos is a hero of mine; an employed law school professor who openly exposes this scam. I'm sure his ethical actions generates animosity towards him in his professional life. But he's a strong, ethical person, and one I deeply admire. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-14279591021498068442012-12-31T14:23:09.852-08:002012-12-31T14:23:09.852-08:00I am second to no one in my dislike of guys who li...I am second to no one in my dislike of guys who like "first" comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-91342769378521141982012-12-31T14:19:50.147-08:002012-12-31T14:19:50.147-08:00I don't know China from nothing. Never been th...I don't know China from nothing. Never been there and never will.<br /><br />Whatever they do over there has nothing to do with me.<br /><br />Alls I amm saying is that if you are going to insult the crap out of someone and drag them through the dirt, you should at least say who you are.<br /><br />Especially if the person you are insulting is known to everyone else.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-26607567990473706602012-12-31T13:08:56.274-08:002012-12-31T13:08:56.274-08:00"But, management had overruled anal-retentive..."But, management had overruled anal-retentive engineers on 57+ other items as well."<br /><br />How many of those 57+ components were level 1 critical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18590951300291467952012-12-31T12:13:27.703-08:002012-12-31T12:13:27.703-08:00Yes I am engineer. If you read the Fenyman append...Yes I am engineer. If you read the Fenyman appendix to the Rogers Report, you will find that the engineers thought that the system had a 1 in 100 chance of failure. Management overruled them and said that it was a 1 in 100,000 chance of failure because that is what it had to be, not because that it what it was. So the safety was advertised as having the safety level of a Chevy Corvair (that is why to date it is the only manned spacecraft not to have a way to save the crew in case of catastrophe) After the Challenger disaster they did come up with a weak way of saving the crew. Interestingly enough, while it wasn't designed with a way to save the crew, the External Tank and both SRBs have explosive charges in case the vehicle veers off course and needs to be destroyed from the ground during launch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43037430854263840322012-12-31T11:08:18.357-08:002012-12-31T11:08:18.357-08:00"Declining admissions is the economic gunpoin..."Declining admissions is the economic gunpoint facing schools."<br /><br />Exactly - given half a chance, the law schools will build up a self-serving mythos that reform came from inside, due to their tortured moral conscience.<br /><br />With a small, small handful of exceptions among *individual* (highly berated) professors, the law schools have habitually displayed much more of a moral vacuum than a moral (or ethical, or legal) conscience.<br /><br />Don't let them rewrite the history of the revolution they have done everything in their corrupt power to suppress. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-1154046932276109462012-12-31T11:08:09.883-08:002012-12-31T11:08:09.883-08:00"In both cases, things that had not caused a ..."In both cases, things that had not caused a problem were considered to be acceptable and management was overruling the engineers."<br /><br />You're right. But, management had overruled anal-retentive engineers on 57+ other items as well. Engineers are paid to be risk-averse. Managers are paid to complete the project. And astronauts are paid take giant risks. <br />The Challenger & Columbia rockets are not mass-produced vehicles, like the Chevy Corvair. <br /><br />Your examples are cherry-picked examples to prove the point. But if you've ever been in a complicated engineering project, you'd know that their is NEVER agreement on all decisions. And, most important, there is ALWAYS risk for any new endeavor. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47228723837520674432012-12-31T10:46:06.813-08:002012-12-31T10:46:06.813-08:00LOLLOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-1025494650494426052012-12-31T09:37:02.628-08:002012-12-31T09:37:02.628-08:00Um, NO, you're threatening to kill yourself so...Um, NO, you're threatening to kill yourself so you WON'T have to work. That's the opposite of the guy you quoted. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32756220722787274082012-12-31T09:32:02.679-08:002012-12-31T09:32:02.679-08:00Now for Columbia, the exact same thing happened on...Now for Columbia, the exact same thing happened on the second launch after the Challenger disaster with Space Shuttle Atlantis, which you can read about here:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-27<br /><br />A piece of ice hit the heat shield causing extensive damage. The only reason that the shuttle didn't disintegrate on reentry was that the damage was in an area that was stronger than the other areas due the fact that it had the antenna mounted there. In both cases, things that had not caused a problem were considered to be acceptable and management was overruling the engineers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-42518394647445077862012-12-31T09:30:01.344-08:002012-12-31T09:30:01.344-08:00TLS mods tend to ban posters who talk about their ...TLS mods tend to ban posters who talk about their troubles finding employment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com