tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post5516239709766155255..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Doctors and lawyersLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-56374012017903916392013-02-28T07:12:07.924-08:002013-02-28T07:12:07.924-08:00"the person who pays for the service (insuran..."the person who pays for the service (insurance company / federal government) is not the person who receives the benefit (patient / law student)"<br /><br />That does not explain high prices for uninsured not yet on medicare patients. They pay more for the same service then what insurance company / federal government pays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-85198911286509000402013-02-24T09:39:53.588-08:002013-02-24T09:39:53.588-08:00People on this forum wouldn't become a nurse o...People on this forum wouldn't become a nurse or technician. They want a high status job. They want to impress people by saying they are a lawyer or at least in law school. Let's face it, its a pretty stupid, superficial bunch here. But if they were smart they wouldn't have fallen for third law school's lies. You didn't have to do much research, even before 2008, to learn that most grads of third rate law schools do poorly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55175984071623886852013-02-24T09:37:55.385-08:002013-02-24T09:37:55.385-08:00What you don't understand is that its hard to ...What you don't understand is that its hard to get into medical school whereas any idiot can get into law school. The vast majority of people commenting this forum wouldn't have a chance of gettng into medical school; in fact many of them probably decided they wanted to lawyers after washing out of pre-med.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39837586556277315752013-02-24T04:30:22.032-08:002013-02-24T04:30:22.032-08:00An M. D. is not the only way to go. There is plen...An M. D. is not the only way to go. There is plenty of work for nurses and various medical technicians. The training program for these positions are not all that long or difficult, Student loans are forgiven in 3 to 4 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35423450856565999952013-02-23T14:43:53.078-08:002013-02-23T14:43:53.078-08:00Yes, as far as prereqs are concerned, it's not...Yes, as far as prereqs are concerned, it's not like JD applicants can just jump over to an MD track.<br /><br />But with a year in a post-bac program (which gives all the prereqs, plus volunteer experience etc.), I would say that a mildly-competent JD applicant who was aiming at a T-50 school, with some focus, could easily be competitive for some low-end MD schools, and could walk into plenty of DO TTTs.<br /><br />You know what the sadder part of all this is? That when I take my kids to the doctor and it's the DO treating them, I don't think, "Oh fuck, a TTT grad." I think, "Oh, cool. A doctor who is down to earth."<br /><br />After all, medicine isn't brain surgery. Except the brain surgery part of it. The rest of it is pretty much stating the obvious, and being legally allowed to write the prescription for the drugs to cure it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74010672578199629042013-02-23T14:24:15.594-08:002013-02-23T14:24:15.594-08:00Just to comment, one other really trashy thing don...Just to comment, one other really trashy thing done to older lawyers who have aged out of BigLaw - they become counsel to a firm with under 20 lawyers or under 55 lawyers. The counsel slot does not give the older lawyer a physical office or guarantee the older lawyer a dime of pay. It is merely a place on the firm's website. Sometimes the firm does not even have an office where the older lawyer works. Maybe this firm will give the older lawyer work and maybe not. The firm likes this arrangement because it makes the firm "look bigger than we are." <br /><br />Black magic here- the older lawyer is "employed". He is counsel to a 10 or 50 lawyer firm. In reality the older lawyer has almost no income from the practice of law. Maybe he got paid for a few hours a year. He is working out of his basement or bedroom desperately trying to get legal work.<br /><br />Is this older lawyer really considered employed? Let's say this lawyer is in his 40s or 50s. This is window dressing. A lawyer in name only but a respectable degree (maybe from a T6) and maybe a great BigLaw pedigree.<br /><br />That is how many BigLaw alums end up if they cannot get or keep an in house position. Window dressing as lawyers.<br /><br />Never happens with a doctor. He or she can sign up with an insurance company, rent an office with other doctors, buy malpractice insurance, and the patients will come. There is income behind the doctor, even from the worst med school, as long as it is a U.S. allo or osteo med school. <br /><br />The former BigLaw lawyer in this example starves. He cannot get enough business to make a decent living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49486524590474800452013-02-23T13:04:14.228-08:002013-02-23T13:04:14.228-08:00Asswipe.Asswipe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63671629980120224162013-02-23T13:03:41.960-08:002013-02-23T13:03:41.960-08:00Forgot to add: 2x physics. Point taken though, 11:...Forgot to add: 2x physics. Point taken though, 11:29. Once you're in, you're set.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47286623719802969022013-02-23T11:50:48.457-08:002013-02-23T11:50:48.457-08:00Chemistry isn't that hard and neither is organ...Chemistry isn't that hard and neither is organic. Both are easier than law school because you just have to study hard and memorize stuff to get A's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20265551561367136512013-02-23T11:34:22.104-08:002013-02-23T11:34:22.104-08:00What is so galling about this is that employment d...What is so galling about this is that employment data was not available to prospective students when it should have been available years. The most important data for a student evaluating a career is the ability to use a degree to get full time permanent employment that lasts a career. The BLS numbers that are spit out each year are bull___t. What use are these numbers if two thirds of all law grads are in fact unemployed and the BLS shows the number as a 1% or 2% unemployment rate among lawyers. The BLS numbers are not only useless- they are misleading and contribute to a high level of structural unemployment in the United States. People educated as lawyers are huge contributors to structural unemployment in the U.S. because there are much too many people educated as lawyers for the number of jobs. Hence most lawyers are under or unemployed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-83728646940392724422013-02-23T11:29:24.562-08:002013-02-23T11:29:24.562-08:00Clearly most T6 or T14 JDs could hack it in allopa...Clearly most T6 or T14 JDs could hack it in allopathic med school. A lot of those JDs made the uninformed choice to go to law school not realizing the high risk of unemployment from a T6 or T14 law school, especially later in their careers. The point is that even the best law school is a throw of the dice in terms of actually being able to have a career as a lawyer and being able to work as long as one wants, or long enough to qualify for Social Security benefits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22852596351763776602013-02-23T11:15:18.935-08:002013-02-23T11:15:18.935-08:00I know a married couple, both doctors. Both went t...I know a married couple, both doctors. Both went to regional, state schools that were not particularly highly ranked. Both had credentials to get in more highly ranked schools, but went to state schools to keep down costs, since they knew they would get jobs. <br /><br />Today, in their late 30's, they live in a million dollar home in a large city, send their kids to private school, etc. They aren't particularly opulent people, either. The home purchase was to protect assets from, you guessed it, potential litigation, as they live in a state where the family home is protected in the event of a malpractice claim. <br /><br />Do not get me wrong, they earn their money, and I wouldn't want to get the late night calls that they get, nor do I envy the stress that they have. They also spent most of their twenties and early thirties working insane hours for not a great deal of pay in their intern/residency years. <br /><br />I'm not suggesting that lawyers should have the same set up necessarily, but it would be very nice if we could tell graduates that they could depend on 1) a job in the field and 2) a lifestyle commensurate with the risk they took and investments they made in terms of both time and money when they made the choice to go to law school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45167566497049172392013-02-23T11:05:24.766-08:002013-02-23T11:05:24.766-08:00Could some JDs hack it in an allopathic school? Pr...Could some JDs hack it in an allopathic school? Probably, but certainly not all of them. Remember:<br />2x ochem<br />2x gen chem<br />2x bio<br />2x writing<br />plus biochem<br />plus mcat<br />Plus an extra year of school<br />plus all THREE Step exams versus one bar<br />Plus a multi-year residency.<br /> In addition to higher volume, the work is simply more difficut. There isn't really a contest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77895034933638064012013-02-23T10:55:37.539-08:002013-02-23T10:55:37.539-08:00Actually the DO schools have people with high GPAs...Actually the DO schools have people with high GPAs and lower MCATs. You would be surprised, but they are pretty competitive. It shows in terms of employment outcomes, which are much better than for law schools. <br /><br />I would guess that in terms of real full time permanent jobs that pay six figures, the DO schools give the T6 law schools a run for the money once one gets 20 or more years out. <br /><br />The DO schools quite likely have better job prospects for a 50+ year old doctor who started school at the average age at that school than Columbia or NYU Law Schools have for many of their 50+ year old lawyers who started law school at the median age there. If you took the figures for 50+ year old women or 50+ year old minorities, the DO schools are likely to beat Columbia and NYU Law Schools by leaps and bounds in terms of availability of real full time permanent jobs that grads actually have and likely also in median pay. The problem is so many 50+ experienced lawyers from Columbia and NYU earn little or nothing because there are no open lawyer jobs for them. Not true at the DO schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-11825099938772895982013-02-23T10:14:36.159-08:002013-02-23T10:14:36.159-08:00Agree!Agree!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45476596914594616442013-02-23T10:12:58.212-08:002013-02-23T10:12:58.212-08:00I agree with all of this.
I want to say though tha...I agree with all of this.<br />I want to say though that being a doctor is a very different job than law. I for one had no interest in the actual work of being a doctor: it is a hard, messy job for most specialities. Even those that aren't: I didn't want to be a radiologist telling people whether they had cancer. It just wasn't for me.<br /><br />As for different stAtes and portability, it is possible to waive into other bars. I'm licensed in a couple of states. New york's rules of notion practice are unlike anything in my other state. I needed to learn that stuff as a beginning lawyer.<br /><br /><br />It is clear that the ABA has completely failed in its purpose . We need to address that along with the lies and the greed of the schools endlessly and needlessly raising tuition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49983000267833239582013-02-23T09:59:01.353-08:002013-02-23T09:59:01.353-08:00I don't agree with the last paragraph.
Med an...I don't agree with the last paragraph.<br /><br />Med and law students go for the same reason. The whole helping BS is very axillary to their goals. They want nice upper middle class lifestyle in a nice city with models and bottles. The only difference is that most med students it get it and most law students are just sorry lowers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36206733059452528472013-02-23T09:20:19.645-08:002013-02-23T09:20:19.645-08:00At the same time a day, tгу a grеat raspberry keto...At the same time a day, tгу a grеat raspberry ketoneѕ ideaѕ!<br />Thугoid ProblemsThe hormones produceԁ <br />bу the Euroреan Union in June <br />2010. Eventually you ωіll finԁ <br />that structure on yоur appetite away.<br /><br />my ωeb sіte; <a href="http://4ketonemetodeath.com/" rel="nofollow">Http://4Ketonemetodeath.com/</a><br /><i>my site</i> :: <b><a href="http://4ketonemetodeath.com/" rel="nofollow">http://4ketonemetodeath.com/</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86114965108151626732013-02-23T08:20:01.161-08:002013-02-23T08:20:01.161-08:00Go home, DiamondGo home, DiamondAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47223151305523567732013-02-23T07:58:55.491-08:002013-02-23T07:58:55.491-08:00Another few differences between doctors and lawyer...Another few differences between doctors and lawyers:<br /><br />Even though medicine has its TTTs (which are DO schools, admitting some idiots who should never be allowed near a pair of rubber gloves), MDs will defend them to the hilt as being just as good and just as qualified. In private, I'm sure some top tier MDs make fun of some of the DOs, but in general, a doc is a doc is a doc.<br /><br />But for lawyers, there is active, rampant ranking, claims of being better than those who attended different schools (even though the quality of education is the same), prestige-whoring, backstabbing, and a whole culture of putting down anybody who is "lesser" than you.<br /><br />MDs can work not just anywhere in the US, but anywhere in the entire world, pretty much. A JD can work, if lucky, in the state where he took the bar exam. 1/50th of the entire country. No international. No mobility.<br /><br />And what's worse, most students who got into decent JD programs could have easily gone to medical school (yeah, MD trolls, it's about volume of work rather than difficulty), and could have walked into DO programs. Yet now they are stuck with debt, no prospects, and they are just wasted brains. Some of our brighter brains, just wasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-55802298771812272622013-02-23T07:53:01.341-08:002013-02-23T07:53:01.341-08:00Yawn. Funny the first time. Hundredth time, not ...Yawn. Funny the first time. Hundredth time, not so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-71321725345698803982013-02-23T07:51:51.551-08:002013-02-23T07:51:51.551-08:00504 no troll. A serious comment.504 no troll. A serious comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-81160973407165328442013-02-23T07:29:55.854-08:002013-02-23T07:29:55.854-08:00Wow, you are easy to troll.
Not 504Wow, you are easy to troll.<br />Not 504Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-60274246754519126462013-02-23T07:28:15.458-08:002013-02-23T07:28:15.458-08:00I'll take your bait then. If it's just ab...I'll take your bait then. If it's just about "demographics," whatever the f**k that means, then I guess we don't need to pay doctors that much, given their limited effect on what is apparently "demographic" destiny.Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215034227962231886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-52881247401803700732013-02-23T07:05:42.238-08:002013-02-23T07:05:42.238-08:00"I have come some advice to about Hvac School..."I have come some advice to about Hvac School or Hvac Training nationwide."<br /><br />...better than law school...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com