tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post4874411576627670697..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: What legal education could be; what law school isLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28601415589763709752011-12-17T22:57:47.122-08:002011-12-17T22:57:47.122-08:00For more anecdotal evidence:
My first semester, I...For more anecdotal evidence:<br /><br />My first semester, I tried hard, payed some attention, did all the reading and studied hard for the finals -- 3.27. Second Semester-- about the same 3.33. Third semester, I decided I was going to drop out. I checked out of all of the classes. Skimmed readings. Never participated. When I was cold-called I made a fool out of myself. That semester I got a 3.37; the best gpa of the three. What a joke.<br /><br />CMCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-36168783454463948972011-12-17T15:37:48.845-08:002011-12-17T15:37:48.845-08:006:46 If two sentences exhausts the powers of your...6:46 If two sentences exhausts the powers of your comprehension, are you sure that the law is the right carer choice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84327223982818703092011-12-17T10:23:44.073-08:002011-12-17T10:23:44.073-08:00I'll stand up for issue spotting exams. Some ...I'll stand up for issue spotting exams. Some guy decides he needs a lawyer, comes to my office, and tells me a story. Guess what: he has no interest at all in whether or how I think ultimate justice might be served. He wants to know whether on the facts he explained, and such as I glean from questioning him, he is going to prevail on his claim, be able to accomplish his objective, whatever. I might not have to know from memory how the courts in my state apply the partial performance exception to the statute of frauds -- to pick a random example -- but I damn well better know that I need to look into that.<br /><br />CC<br />CCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76297859479162005632011-12-17T09:43:26.448-08:002011-12-17T09:43:26.448-08:00An appropriate comment on a blog for lawyers.An appropriate comment on a blog for lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20150194332987449992011-12-17T09:39:33.800-08:002011-12-17T09:39:33.800-08:00I promise you, you do not know what you are talkin...I promise you, you do not know what you are talking aboutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49279436591001131782011-12-17T09:33:21.652-08:002011-12-17T09:33:21.652-08:008:21, You don't understand the scientific meth...8:21, You don't understand the scientific method. It's premised on hypothesis->experimentation->prove or disprove the hypothesis, converting it either to a theory or false.<br /><br />Ignoring your citation to an article in Forbes magazine to disprove a field that you are ignorant of, and that you probably do not have the mental capacity to understand even if you tried, ignoring all that, you can't ever use the fact that a hypothesis was disproven to attack science. Disproving a hypothesis ***is*** science.<br /><br />Leave high order thought to your mental superiors and get back to trying to figure out if your graduates have jobs, and how much they earn. If you need help call the mathematicians who organized the US Census.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22501184881671405472011-12-17T08:21:07.405-08:002011-12-17T08:21:07.405-08:00A cautionary story about non-scientists worship of...A cautionary story about non-scientists worship of "Big Ideas"<br /><br /><br />http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0921/opinions-peter-woit-physics-ideas-opinions.html?partner=emailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44174589600917470122011-12-17T07:09:55.203-08:002011-12-17T07:09:55.203-08:00Jesus I just wikipedia'd John Horgan. He is so...Jesus I just wikipedia'd John Horgan. He is someone who couldn't even complete a bachelors in science, but he wrote a book (a pop culture book for the mindless masses like 9:52) declaring THE END OF ALL SCIENCE. Yes, this nobody who I guarantee you could not even translate a scientific paper (which is written in very arcane language) into layman's words is such an idiot troll that he wrote a book declaring the end of all of science. Can you imagine the combination of ignorance and gall that would inspire such preeminent trolling? Not only that but he wrote another book declaring the end of all mathematics!<br /><br />He should have taken his english major and became a legal academic, because outside of pop journalism that is the only place such idiocy would have been tolerated.<br /><br />So again - Physicists at CERN are solving puzzle after puzzle to discover the micro-particles of the universe, mathematicians at google are designing systems to process information (and mathematicians are probably doing other advanced stuff but I don't know anything about what they do), microbiologists are working on curing disease - and assholes like legal academics and John Horgan are trolling the world, funded by defrauded morons sold snake oil. John Horgan's snake oil is that he can make your average layman feel smarter than a top physicist or mathematician. Law schools' snake oil is the promise of non-existent jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28836899582893544312011-12-17T06:57:19.442-08:002011-12-17T06:57:19.442-08:009:52 you moron thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my...9:52 you moron thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my time. Those articles are by John Horgan an ENGLISH MAJOR who works as a pop science journalist and who couldn't understand a real physics paper if his life depended on it.<br /><br />Congratulations. You contributed nothing but misinformation and time vampiring to this discussion.There are so many dumb people in this field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18047570737969949702011-12-17T06:46:42.584-08:002011-12-17T06:46:42.584-08:001:26 if u can't make your point briefly don...1:26 if u can't make your point briefly don't make it at all. I stopped reading ur post after two sentences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-57526266988625178292011-12-17T06:42:54.992-08:002011-12-17T06:42:54.992-08:00He meant do something about the law school scam.He meant do something about the law school scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45622991823116523702011-12-17T03:54:36.055-08:002011-12-17T03:54:36.055-08:00"Combining complaints with helpless inaction ..."Combining complaints with helpless inaction is very negative. It will depress you and drain your soul. Either DO SOMETHING about the problems you highlight, or shut the f*ck up about them."<br /><br />Agreed. People are acting like this is the first time in history there was ever a weak job market for graduates. Imagine if people took about 20% of the time they spent whinging and used that time to make money.nycnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-27339826061765688442011-12-17T01:26:33.184-08:002011-12-17T01:26:33.184-08:0012:39 complains of law schools awarding grades as ...12:39 complains of law schools awarding grades as their only purpose is to give law firms a sorting mechanism for hiring. He sugests if grades are to be given at all, a system where 90-95% of students get the same grade(and hopefully no one fails). It comes as no surprise to any that law firms use law school grades as a sorting mechanism for hiring. But given the high ratio of applicants to jobs (10 to 1, 50 to 1, 100 to 1?)the law firms have to use some sort of sorting mechanism. If they don't have grades, what do they have? It quickly becomes social background, attractivness, slickness, interview skills, and our old friends nepotism and connections. With nothing substantive to go on, the personal prejudices of class, race, religion and politics work their way in. The absence of any individual marker for the ability to do competent legal work, will result in all of the graduates of top tier schools getting hired and none of the graduates of lower tier schools getting to be lawyers. The lowest slacker at HYS or Texas or UCLA gets a job and the hard working (and probably lower SES) student who would have been law review at Loyola or valedictorian at the University of Toledo never gets the chance at being a lawyer. Is this what we want? 12:39 is one of those odd people who is an elitist until he is admitted into an elite group (N.Y.U. I believe) and then campaigns for complete equality within the group. Odder still because of BL1Y's consistently high qualty of comments on this blog. William OckhamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5438816940713579182011-12-17T00:32:42.540-08:002011-12-17T00:32:42.540-08:00Again, "hide the ball."Again, "hide the ball."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37131848647483568612011-12-16T22:11:30.740-08:002011-12-16T22:11:30.740-08:009:43: I'm assuming you are one of the student...9:43: I'm assuming you are one of the students who doesn't pay attention. Am I right? <br /><br />At the end of the day, 85% of lawyers and law students are going to rationalize not paying attention in class because they either didn't or don't pay attention in class as 2Ls and 3Ls. If current students don't see this as an opportunity, they are just not very good at the law school game.<br /><br />But you are right to a very small extent. There are some professors out there who are so bad, that you actually might learn very little helpful information (either for their exam or for real life) buy listening to what they have to say in class. I'd fire them all if I could. Luckily these profs are in the minority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9269974430379054982011-12-16T21:52:45.332-08:002011-12-16T21:52:45.332-08:00http://chronicle.com/article/Hey-Physics-Get-Real-...http://chronicle.com/article/Hey-Physics-Get-Real-/126662/ <br /><br />http://chronicle.com/article/In-Modern-Physics-Whos-an/129876/<br /><br />@9:33, you are right. The second article is about crank ideas by people who are physicists and physicist wannabes, not crank physicists. The first article is about physicists peddling dubious (crank) big ideas. I collapsed the two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49250234885904750082011-12-16T21:43:22.802-08:002011-12-16T21:43:22.802-08:00The person claiming that those who pay attention i...The person claiming that those who pay attention in class get better grades has apparently never heard of the term, "hide the ball." Law professors do not lecture to tell you what you need to know for their exams. Rather, they do so to distract you from what you need to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-2336606872832423032011-12-16T21:33:19.088-08:002011-12-16T21:33:19.088-08:00I'd like to see the article calling physicists...I'd like to see the article calling physicists "cranks."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-53320569893534977882011-12-16T21:32:31.387-08:002011-12-16T21:32:31.387-08:00I don't think a comparison with artists, music...I don't think a comparison with artists, musicians and physicists is justified. <br /><br />The big questions that artists seek to answer is, "how will I inspire my audience?" or "how will I get them to feel this or that?"<br /><br />The big questions that physicists seek to answer is, "what are the rules for our physical world?"<br /><br />These are evolved and high minded questions.<br /><br />The two big picture questions that the law seeks to answer are: "should we put this citizen in jail?" or "should we take this person's money and give it to that person?"<br /><br />These are very low and base questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51425630578214962152011-12-16T21:29:05.528-08:002011-12-16T21:29:05.528-08:00Sorry for the double posting. Computer problems......Sorry for the double posting. Computer problems...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-54205786610902914672011-12-16T21:25:13.383-08:002011-12-16T21:25:13.383-08:00Big ideas are overrated. They can easily impress p...Big ideas are overrated. They can easily impress people who do not know what the person is actually talking. Physics, which is largely impenetrable to laypeople, is great for creating the gee whiz factor. If someone announces a thing as a "Big idea", people who have no way of making the judgment will just accept it. There was an article just recently about how hard it is to tell the difference between the cranks in physics and those who are doing real work. <br />It's also not a good comparison. What big ideas are poets working on now? What big ideas are musicians working on. These are different fields, that work in different ways to different ends. This is just another way to get in a dig a law professors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10141524443532735162011-12-16T21:25:11.200-08:002011-12-16T21:25:11.200-08:00Big ideas are overrated. They can easily impress p...Big ideas are overrated. They can easily impress people who do not know what the person is actually talking. Physics, which is largely impenetrable to laypeople, is great for creating the gee whiz factor. If someone announces a thing as a "Big idea", people who have no way of making the judgment will just accept it. There was an article just recently about how hard it is to tell the difference between the cranks in physics and those who are doing real work. <br />It's also not a good comparison. What big ideas are poets working on now? What big ideas are musicians working on. These are different fields, that work in different ways to different ends. This is just another way to get in a dig a law professors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84513557200021964942011-12-16T21:05:38.784-08:002011-12-16T21:05:38.784-08:009:00 - I laughed out loud!9:00 - I laughed out loud!LOLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9000532119374854512011-12-16T21:00:51.048-08:002011-12-16T21:00:51.048-08:00Not only that, but legal academics can't even ...Not only that, but legal academics can't even discover their employment data. Imagine that. Physicists are discovering the subparticles of the universe, which are obfuscated and hidden behind layer after layer of incredibly complex and esoteric insight. That's the level of problem they're working on.<br /><br />Could you imagine going up to a physicist at CERN and asking him to solve the big problem in legal academia, "Where do our graduates work, and how much do they make?" He'd look at you like you were a retard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-15980088725629212512011-12-16T20:57:39.155-08:002011-12-16T20:57:39.155-08:00Good point 8:30!Good point 8:30!Encouragernoreply@blogger.com