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Any school is only the sum total of the individual students and individual faculty. How some schools can be lumped into a "third tier toilet" by some people says way more about the person doing the ranking than the school being discussed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89293706693408891712012-10-21T19:53:57.385-07:002012-10-21T19:53:57.385-07:00patent law: OT but
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I have been in patent law for over 15 ye...To Mac K<br /><br />I have been in patent law for over 15 years. Some in private practice and some as assistant GC. Yes, i have been asked about family law and wills/trusts and some off the other non business related topics you mentioned. <br /><br />i have managed multi million dollar patent cases. I have been lead counsel on 500 million dollar m&a deals. -I have negotiated sales contracts worth over 75 million.<br /><br />I have no desire to handle or advise on a family law or wills and trust or other trivial matter. <br /><br />my time is better spent staying a top notch business/patent lawyer. other than finding a referral for someone, i would not touch family law, etc case. My malpractice insurance doesnt cover it. <br /><br />I have done a fine job being a lawyer without ever touching family law cases. Many of the classes i took in law school did little to prepare me for my chosen path. <br /><br />And other than being a party to a family law matter, not one IP attorney i knew, has ever handled a family law matter other than "let me find someone who can help you."<br /><br />But i do agree to many of the other types of classes you mentioned. But those classes could be taught in a lot less time in a different manner.<br /><br />We agree a lot more than we disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16849118704407145762012-10-21T17:28:02.760-07:002012-10-21T17:28:02.760-07:00Please. SEC violations? None. Even if someone, ...Please. SEC violations? None. Even if someone, somewhere down the line, does repackage the debts as securities, it ain't the lawl skules. Similarly prof.resp., mandamus (oh, WHO, exactly, is the federal actor you wish to force into action) and quo warranto (same comment). It's like you took a bar exam prep test and just listed everything you thought might just possibly apply, in ignorance of what they actually mean.<br /><br />You (and any other plaintiff) will get a lot farther by NOT tossing spaghetti at the wall to see what will stick.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-69557326903374672372012-10-21T16:21:43.341-07:002012-10-21T16:21:43.341-07:00Do something constructive and specify the flaws in...Do something constructive and specify the flaws in each suggested cause of action (which were only intended as a stepping off point - not detailed litigation strategies).<br /><br />Otherwise, you just sound like a lazy law school shill.cas127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89969234428290445232012-10-21T13:07:27.785-07:002012-10-21T13:07:27.785-07:00The answer (as someone who does primarily IP) is t...The answer (as someone who does primarily IP) is that:<br /><br />(a) almost all the classes I listed are relevant - some more relevant than other to my IP practice (and that includes some knowledge of employment.)<br /><br />(b) I don't know if you are still in law school (it sounds like it), but I would not assume that you will land in an IP practice. If you end up even in a medium sized mostly tech firm you may well need to know these topics.<br /><br />(c) Ask a few IP practitioners how often they have in the corporate context run into family law and you would be surprised - lot of divorces in tech, lot of intra-company stuff. <br /><br />Frankly the question is, do you want to be a patent clerk or a lawyer?MacKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442386017204584747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77803397389890466142012-10-21T12:41:13.380-07:002012-10-21T12:41:13.380-07:00to MacK
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