tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post2380274042670173390..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: 3LOL and "mandatory" attendance policiesLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-24013447191872917052012-11-16T05:44:43.752-08:002012-11-16T05:44:43.752-08:00My school also had a rather strict attendance poli...My school also had a rather strict attendance policy. It forced me to show up. And, as has been stated many times previously in this comment thread, the third year of law school was a complete waste of my time and money. It was nothing short of an embarrassment. Crux of lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572986619859564280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-85156215113586645012012-11-15T20:03:20.182-08:002012-11-15T20:03:20.182-08:00Law Prof: I'm a 3L at Texas, and I am in two ...Law Prof: I'm a 3L at Texas, and I am in two classes that "require" attendance. Ad Law with Matt Spitzer specifies grade penalties for more than a few absences, but I dont' see any method of enforcement... I could be missing it though (see below).<br /><br />Interestingly (and why I post), my Env. Law course (Melinda Taylor) relies on a very specific and very strict policy: More than 4 absences over the semester results in a failing grade. The course meets 3x weekly, and it was not apparent to me how she even took attendance. The first couple of days she passed a sign in sheet around, but that soon stopped. After a couple of weeks, I noticed that one person who sat in the back row would usually leave after about 10 minutes. I finally realized this was not a student but the Professor's assistant, who would mark whether we were in our seats on time. I was pretty flabbergasted; I've gone to class every day but two, but I've only once read the material for the day; I honestly have no idea where my casebook even is. But seriously... 4 absences over a semester seems incredibly strict, right? And, beyond that, you can't be more than 10 minutes late or you won't get counted at all? I'm pretty resentful.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11191503226461203687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-18827569789415708722012-11-13T20:40:57.980-08:002012-11-13T20:40:57.980-08:00Wonder no more, Law Prof.
http://abovethelaw.com/...Wonder no more, Law Prof.<br /><br />http://abovethelaw.com/2012/11/change-comes-to-george-washington-university-after-a-whole-bunch-of-lying/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-57326283994976883112012-11-13T16:48:34.086-08:002012-11-13T16:48:34.086-08:00"as well as some investment income"
how..."as well as some investment income"<br /><br />how does this square with your claim not to have received help from parents and/or guardian angels?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-69096357410071925832012-11-13T08:38:58.945-08:002012-11-13T08:38:58.945-08:00It should be zero.It should be zero.Adam Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458070600725040309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82958534163436420842012-11-13T08:38:29.241-08:002012-11-13T08:38:29.241-08:00It should be zero.It should be zero.Adam Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458070600725040309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-75321593636748832432012-11-13T07:13:27.736-08:002012-11-13T07:13:27.736-08:00Good for you. But law school was A LOT cheaper 25 ...Good for you. But law school was A LOT cheaper 25 years ago. Imagine paying $150k over 3 years with a part time job and some summer income.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-63959591403303096372012-11-13T06:26:26.037-08:002012-11-13T06:26:26.037-08:00"The system encourages a cynical complacency ..."The system encourages a cynical complacency that is more damaging than active hostility."<br /><br />Figure out how to say that in Latin, and this could be the motto for all law schools. Shark Sandwichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08866373313029422313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74530168696303472342012-11-13T06:22:28.009-08:002012-11-13T06:22:28.009-08:00http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/careercenter/weeklyn...http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/careercenter/weeklynewsletters/november8.pdf (re-posted from above)<br /><br /><br />It's incredibly sad that they (Ore.Law) must feel like they've "just gotta put <b><i>something</i></b> out there", so they tee up this story.<br /><br />I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that the young man found himself a job. Very glad.<br /><br />But to have Ore.Law tout it as some kind of "see lookie what his JD did fer him" is beyond the pail.<br /><br />Here is the very saddest thing - the main undertone here is, "hey kids, even if LS stinks, even if it "ain't for you", even if you'll never work a day as a lawyer ITE, oh no, doncha dare think of dropping out!"<br /><br /> See below quotes, <br /><br /> - " While his first impulse was to drop out of school, he quickly recognized that the knowledge and practical skills gained from his legal education would be an asset in other lines of work." (and, closing zinger)<br /><br /> - "He found exploring all options to be the best path to a satisfying career. "<br /><br /><br />"Satisfying career"?<br /><br />He's had the job for a month and a half (my guesa based on the posting of the job in September). <br /><br />How can he know it's a satisfying career after only a few weeks?<br /><br />P.S. "Pail" not "pale" as in, "I needs a pail ta pukes in after readin' this bilgewater".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-68880901429641330172012-11-13T06:10:40.307-08:002012-11-13T06:10:40.307-08:00Possible at some schools where graduating with hon...Possible at some schools where graduating with honors happens to 45% of the class (ustabe Harvard as the example, dunno if that's still true of it).<br /><br />But the class standing comment is obviously hyperbole.<br /><br />Unless, of course, s/he was home schooled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-60689389340130941162012-11-13T05:49:34.470-08:002012-11-13T05:49:34.470-08:00I am at a loss still. You mean to tell me that la...I am at a loss still. You mean to tell me that law school classes are not relevant and JDPainterguy is making you a dean of his imaginary school?<br /><br />Wow, that's really messed up...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-1248393754927932602012-11-13T03:42:29.380-08:002012-11-13T03:42:29.380-08:00"Before 3L started, I decided to calculate my..."Before 3L started, I decided to calculate my potential graduating GPA, class standing, and honors. If I received all A's I would be the same rank and cum laude.. all D's and I would be the same class rank and cum laude."<br /><br />how is that mathematically possible? what are the parameters for cum laude?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-40349241659491024952012-11-13T02:40:15.331-08:002012-11-13T02:40:15.331-08:00The third year of law school is a complete waste o...The third year of law school is a complete waste of time. I graduated over 30 years ago, and had a job lined up in the first semester. I just took a lot of seminars, where grades were based on papers. Since I was a good writer, I aced those classes. It was mostly a way of passing time and amusing myself until I could graduate.<br /><br />So my third year was a waste of time. But so were my first and second years. Everything of use was learned in the bar review. As far as learning the ropes, I did that in the first year of practice.<br /><br />But then again, 30 years ago, law school was relatively cheap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45572825217420695012012-11-12T23:45:23.985-08:002012-11-12T23:45:23.985-08:00F-ing hilarious. I actually know some people that...F-ing hilarious. I actually know some people that work at River Network. Last person to hold that job had an undergraduate degree in sociology. So, 3 years and (insert absurd debt amount here) this poor schmuck is in competition with soc. degree undergrads for jobs.<br /><br />But don't call it a scam, no one will take us serious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82009638105773922912012-11-12T22:05:22.035-08:002012-11-12T22:05:22.035-08:00This below is the explanation for the young JD'...This below is the explanation for the young JD's new career at the Calapooia Watershed Council:<br /><br /><i>"community outreach and education, fundraising (unrestricted funds), communication and marketing."</i><br /><br /><br />Guess what the educational and experience requirements are for this job?<br /><br />THERE AREN'T ANY.<br /><br />http://www.rivernetwork.org/jobs/communications-and-development-directorAnother Successful VERSATILE JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49977244414899397932012-11-12T22:01:01.168-08:002012-11-12T22:01:01.168-08:00Someone above posted this link - it's a UOrego...Someone above posted this link - it's a UOregon law "versatile job he got with his JD" story.<br /><br />The job this poor schmuck got was a $40K "communications director" for the local "Calapooia Watershed Council".<br /><br /><br />For Oregon to claim this has anything to do with the JD is beyond ludicrous.Another Successful VERSATILE JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-80555987451701712052012-11-12T21:54:16.174-08:002012-11-12T21:54:16.174-08:00"Soc-Sci for the win!"
Social "sci..."Soc-Sci for the win!"<br /><br />Social "science" ain't real science.<br /><br />so there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-8709299189569376852012-11-12T21:21:00.269-08:002012-11-12T21:21:00.269-08:00Honestly? We're still having the STEM v. Liber...Honestly? We're still having the STEM v. Liberal Arts debate? I'm pretty sure that if you waste time bragging anonymously about your non-achievements online, then you've already lost. <br /><br />Soc-Sci for the win!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-8297100576111871862012-11-12T20:14:59.517-08:002012-11-12T20:14:59.517-08:00I attended Campos' legislation class three tim...I attended Campos' legislation class three times. <br /><br />It sucked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35842231376201165242012-11-12T19:57:10.314-08:002012-11-12T19:57:10.314-08:00Well, 4:24, maybe I'm not a goody-two-shoes, b...Well, 4:24, maybe I'm not a goody-two-shoes, but I'm a god-damned fool for having undertaken to study law.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9123609824877155672012-11-12T19:24:35.565-08:002012-11-12T19:24:35.565-08:00There's nothing to get out of it. The only &qu...There's nothing to get out of it. The only "useful" year of law school is 1L... That is because it provides a basis for employers to judge everyone on an "even" playing field, to see how each student performed against their peers. 2L is a complete joke. 3L will, I'm sure, be a complete and utter waste of time. I learned more at my summer internship than in any of the 3 semesters I've spent in law school. It's complete shit.<br /><br />I have a job lined up, which makes it even more mind numbing. It's horrible. You don't learn anything useful and the professors are pompous idiots. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-58742745362351948842012-11-12T19:24:01.128-08:002012-11-12T19:24:01.128-08:00There's nothing to get out of it. The only &q...There's nothing to get out of it. The only "useful" year of law school is 1L... That is because it provides a basis for employers to judge everyone on an "even" playing field, to see how each student performed against their peers. 2L is a complete joke. 3L will, I'm sure, be a complete and utter waste of time. I learned more at my summer internship than in any of the 3 semesters I've spent in law school. It's complete shit. <br /><br />I have a job lined up, which makes it even more mind numbing. It's horrible. You don't learn anything useful and the professors are pompous idiots. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70124461764757064612012-11-12T19:16:20.327-08:002012-11-12T19:16:20.327-08:00Word. 180Word. 180Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-59144702604527589672012-11-12T19:09:16.546-08:002012-11-12T19:09:16.546-08:00I'm saying that 3Ls blow off class not because...I'm saying that 3Ls blow off class not because they are lazy or incompetent, but rather because they recognize that their courses aren't worthwhile.A.M. Warsawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21624358891239251572012-11-12T19:03:36.657-08:002012-11-12T19:03:36.657-08:00Exactly.
Only possible benefit - perhaps increasi...Exactly.<br /><br />Only possible benefit - perhaps increasing IBR use (to feed the insatiably slimy law school beast) will perhaps open up more opportunities to use qui tam cases to financially gut the "schools".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com