tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post2260043756270428713..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: How much should law school cost?LawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-6078287893763427652013-02-14T18:48:57.286-08:002013-02-14T18:48:57.286-08:00Heya i'm for the first time here. I found this...Heya i'm for the first time here. I found this board and I find It really useful & it helped me out a lot. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me.<br /><br />Feel free to surf to my web-site :: <a href="http://www.flintop.com/profile-3186/info/" rel="nofollow">their web site</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9546957834232289462012-12-15T17:19:42.022-08:002012-12-15T17:19:42.022-08:00I view the problem from a different perspective. ...I view the problem from a different perspective. Instead of tying tuition to earnings, why not tie it to necessary costs. We have plenty of comparisons.<br /><br />For example, taxpayers pay approximately $5,000 per student per year at most high schools.<br /><br />As a general rule, high schools have better facilities than the typical law school. High schools usually have at least one gymnasium, exercise equipment, band rooms, musical instruments, stages, cafeterias, language labs, media centers, and computers.<br /><br />In contrast, the most expensive facility in any law school is its library. Law libraries are being rendered obsolete by the internet, to the extent that most local courts in Colorado no longer have a law library.<br /><br />Many high school teachers have equivalent, if not superior academic credentials than most law professors. It is not at all uncommon to see a high school teacher with a Ph.D.<br /><br />Plus we are told that high school teachers are in short supply, while there is a vast oversupply of people with J.D.s -- the academic qualifier for teaching in law school. Supply and demand would seem to dictate that law school professors should not be paid more than high school teachers.<br /><br />In fact, it seems absolutely crazy that a law professor at the University of Colorado is paid more than a District Court Judge, a Supreme Court Justice or the Governor of the State of Colorado. The surplus of people with the academic qualifications makes law professor salaries even more unreasonable.<br /><br />If we took an honest look at what it would cost to provide a minimally adequate legal education, it would be apparent, that the current tuition is excessive, by a factor of ten.<br /><br />High Plains LawyerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-44059571603037548312012-12-13T18:40:10.583-08:002012-12-13T18:40:10.583-08:00^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm guessing you're poor keyb...^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm guessing you're poor keyboard is about smashed to splinters, then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-3279295468237095292012-12-13T06:07:35.353-08:002012-12-13T06:07:35.353-08:00Yes you are. I too can randomly hit my keyboard w...Yes you are. I too can randomly hit my keyboard when I feel stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-40441964123131593702012-12-13T02:21:07.317-08:002012-12-13T02:21:07.317-08:00Just checked on itunes for fun: Beethoven's st...Just checked on itunes for fun: Beethoven's string quartets, the late quartets, 27 songs performed by the Emerson String quartet (highly rated) for $19.99 an album or .99 a songAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51288582847198984602012-12-13T02:07:25.362-08:002012-12-13T02:07:25.362-08:00To reply to the above: I think must 21 year olds ...To reply to the above: I think must 21 year olds would take a 30 year career. The idea of not getting work at 53 would not dissuade them. I think they would assume that they would have 30 years to basically be set for life compared to the other career options they currently face.<br /><br />It is more relevant for them to understand that at least half of them are never going to practice law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-5616115583377493142012-12-13T02:02:34.394-08:002012-12-13T02:02:34.394-08:00Also Amazon has many choices of classical music re...Also Amazon has many choices of classical music recordings for free to prime members (free for a year as a student and cheap to renew for one year)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-60886238697782593572012-12-13T02:01:06.526-08:002012-12-13T02:01:06.526-08:00Re the Baumol effect: a few days ago, unrelated to...Re the Baumol effect: a few days ago, unrelated to this but wanting some classical music to play on a long drive, I bought the complete set of Beethoven symphonies played by the London Symphony Orchestra for $7.99 on iTunes. <br />It took less than 5 minutes to download to my phone.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23772940063904792102012-12-13T01:54:39.785-08:002012-12-13T01:54:39.785-08:00Sorry - this was meant to be a comment on the post...Sorry - this was meant to be a comment on the post complaining that Campos and DJM aren't feeding us juicy details of inside the scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9540459375720077132012-12-13T01:53:11.249-08:002012-12-13T01:53:11.249-08:00You miss the point of an insider. An insider give...You miss the point of an insider. An insider gives credibility to the data. The sad fact is that grads of lower tier schools who can't get jobs are not compelling to most 0Ls or almost anyone else for that matter. They get blamed for going to bad schools or are simply considered losers. It was easy for applicants to dismiss their claims.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-7636834692300610762012-12-12T22:47:35.855-08:002012-12-12T22:47:35.855-08:00Oh Albert Ross, how you miss the point!
This blog...Oh Albert Ross, how you miss the point!<br /><br />This blog is called "Inside the Law School Scam", and people have been drawn to it by the idea that their complaints about law school would be legitimized by having a professor spill the beans, confirming from the inside that their claims were true.<br /><br />And defenders of Campos - defenders against claims of hypocricy and scammilking - routinely state that he is important because he's our inside man, and that we could not get the scam exposed without the kind of info he brings to the table.<br /><br />Yet the opposite is true. He has no insider information. He has no juicy details from behind the oak doors to the dean's office. He has routinely presented analysis based on public data (which we already have), routinely relied on standard arguments against law school and high tuition (which were developed by the scamblogs well before his time), and his posts are derivative and unoriginal.<br /><br />This blog has lost its way. And in doing so, in hogging the attention, it destroyed the heart of the scamblogging movement - Nando, etc. The core of the movement, the passion behind the movemement, was hijacked by a professor looking for job security and an "angle" for some research.<br /><br />When was the last time this blog went inside the law school scam? Beyond a point where we, as law students, applicants, grads, attorneys, and unemployeds observers could go?<br /><br />Not for many months. Perhaps not at all.<br /><br />I ask Campos not to do more work, but to do what we expected him to do when he carpetbagged the scam movement over here instead of its rightful place on the passionate scamblogs.<br /><br />Show us the filth from inside the law school scam - which would be your law school. (Which is another of my issues - your law school seems to be rather immune from your analysis, when it should be the main subject if you were doing your job right.)<br /><br />But that's the thing. I see this blog as nothing more than an insurance policy for your job. "We can't fire Campos - it will look like revenge. Let's fire the chick who writes about international animal law instead."<br /><br />This concentration of blog power in one place, run by someone who benefits from the scam (and yes you do, Campos, no matter what a few supporters say), is ruining the movement. It blocks out the legitimate real voices. Fuck, it's even blocking out LST and piggybacking off their work.<br /><br />This blog has stood on the shoulders of some giants. But instead of taking the movement further, it has got itself to safety, then kicked the heads of those who helped it up.<br /><br />Either expose the scam or go home. Don't feed us regurgitated shit that we fed you two years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45955823696130568452012-12-12T22:00:40.804-08:002012-12-12T22:00:40.804-08:00http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/three-year-...http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/three-year-volume.asp<br /><br />The link. Schools are closing folks.<br /><br />- WGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-13804949125508081632012-12-12T21:57:45.284-08:002012-12-12T21:57:45.284-08:00Applicants are down 22+% YOY according to LSAC. P...Applicants are down 22+% YOY according to LSAC. Projects to 52-53k applicants this cycle, 6-7k fewer than earlier estimates. Huge.<br /><br />WGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9326166594062914282012-12-12T21:16:40.158-08:002012-12-12T21:16:40.158-08:00Hi, Leiter.Hi, Leiter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-64491397984176341392012-12-12T20:49:57.682-08:002012-12-12T20:49:57.682-08:00OMG all these unemployed law grads went to law sch...OMG all these unemployed law grads went to law school expecting to become rich!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-87606052506906877952012-12-12T19:47:10.368-08:002012-12-12T19:47:10.368-08:00Nope.Nope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84388927913691615742012-12-12T18:56:45.171-08:002012-12-12T18:56:45.171-08:00^^^^^^^^^ Irrelevant much?^^^^^^^^^ Irrelevant much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22648731545024006542012-12-12T18:50:42.460-08:002012-12-12T18:50:42.460-08:00"Network.""Network."Joan Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-76574023004004311272012-12-12T18:49:23.900-08:002012-12-12T18:49:23.900-08:00Sad, isn't it?Sad, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89743785365843635852012-12-12T18:45:07.311-08:002012-12-12T18:45:07.311-08:00Prof. Campos, don't you think that I could hir...Prof. Campos, don't you think that I could hire law professors as private tutors for less than $10k per year, rather than attending law school?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86672602021106663122012-12-12T18:43:48.042-08:002012-12-12T18:43:48.042-08:00You hit the nail on the head. For many lawyers fr...You hit the nail on the head. For many lawyers from the top schools, especially women, a law degree is a financial dead end in terms of what the woman can earn. There are not huge numbers of jobs for the Harvard, Yale, Columbia women in the last third of their careers. The demand is not there for their services. The legal profession is bottom heavy in terms of more high paying jobs for young lawyers than old ones.<br /><br />The real data would scare a lot of 0Ls away because there is simply not a sustained career path for most women. If Harvard, Yale or Columbia lands one a 30% chance of being a solo, unemployed or in some other eat what you kill capacity or not making any money once one hits age 53, not a good career choice is it? That is unless the woman hits the jackpot and marries, and stays married to, a man who is financially successful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23744134877233720792012-12-12T18:43:07.593-08:002012-12-12T18:43:07.593-08:00The CDO at my school says the very same goddamn th...The CDO at my school says the very same goddamn thing, and also "We're not here to help you to find a job". Well, then, what exactly <i>are</i> they there to do? Jesus.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-83586145094962789412012-12-12T18:31:23.371-08:002012-12-12T18:31:23.371-08:00I say that you shouldn't pay more than $20-30 ...I say that you shouldn't pay more than $20-30 thousand max for a law degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-9641832512191413302012-12-12T18:29:40.540-08:002012-12-12T18:29:40.540-08:00"with no analysis at all."
And how do y..."with no analysis at all."<br /><br />And how do you know what Ive analyzed and what I haven't. You want me to type up a 5 page essay here in the comments section? Tons of economists of debunked the childish self-dealing economics you espouse. I do not want to live in a world where market forces determine my helath care, education or utlities. There are endless examples of why thats a really really bad idea. But it sounds like you're quite invested in bad ideas...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77612043840273002952012-12-12T18:20:17.031-08:002012-12-12T18:20:17.031-08:00@2:07 & 2:42 It's wonderful how militant ...@2:07 & 2:42 It's wonderful how militant and eloquent one can be when exhorting someone else to do more work and take more risks for one's own benefit.Albert Rossnoreply@blogger.com