tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post121040814512013063..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: Lie to meLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger162125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35016019773603032962012-01-18T11:56:58.423-08:002012-01-18T11:56:58.423-08:00@ 10:01 am - Connie Mack was a Manager of the Phil...@ 10:01 am - Connie Mack was a Manager of the Phillies. Earle Mack's just some dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34207133323438711492012-01-15T09:47:13.010-08:002012-01-15T09:47:13.010-08:00Bs are not low passes for those schools. High Pass...Bs are not low passes for those schools. High Passes, Passes and Low Passes. Honors must be the old A+s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45277071542520963652012-01-14T21:27:57.589-08:002012-01-14T21:27:57.589-08:00Basically,
Honors = A
Pass = A- and B+
Low Pass =...Basically,<br /><br />Honors = A<br />Pass = A- and B+<br />Low Pass = B and B-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-12767497608264669382012-01-14T16:42:53.984-08:002012-01-14T16:42:53.984-08:00To be clear, in the 1980s, after the first semeste...To be clear, in the 1980s, after the first semester at Yale, students were graded on the honors, pass, low pass, fail spectrum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-47273177031612727252012-01-14T16:40:00.362-08:002012-01-14T16:40:00.362-08:00Of HYS, only Yale had a system of pass-fail during...Of HYS, only Yale had a system of pass-fail during the 1980s, and that was just for the first semester. Then the system went to honors, pass, low pass, fail. Stanford and Harvard have now gone to a system of high pass, pass, low pass, fail-- or some variation of that, but no letter grades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-65461860101551842232012-01-14T15:56:47.648-08:002012-01-14T15:56:47.648-08:00@2:59
One rumor I remember going around law schoo...@2:59<br />One rumor I remember going around law school was that Harvard was pass/ fail, because, after all, being a graduate of Harvard was all an employer needed to know. We were awed by that concept. At UT, we lived and died by clas rank and tenth of a point variations in our grades. I hear that alumni giving is not very robust for UT law . . Probably a connection to how they treated all but the top 10 percent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-66722550494815722052012-01-14T15:05:33.242-08:002012-01-14T15:05:33.242-08:00This is the second double post. Don't know wha...This is the second double post. Don't know what I'm doing wrong. Sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-52406665831526890682012-01-14T15:04:51.120-08:002012-01-14T15:04:51.120-08:00@tdennis, 12:47aka 9:48 here, Yes, the culture of ...@tdennis, 12:47aka 9:48 here, Yes, the culture of a place matters a great deal. I think the students matter as well. Perhaps my classmates and I had a greater sense of entitlement. We respected and, sometimes, feared professors. But it was understood that past exams were to be available and that you could see old exams, model answers, and talk to the professor about your performance on the exam. You could make an appointment or go to office hours to do that. That was not a big deal at all. Of course people did that more in the first year, or if they were surprised by a grade in the 2nd or 3rd year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-16242732696156013932012-01-14T14:59:27.891-08:002012-01-14T14:59:27.891-08:00@tdennis, 12:47aka 9:48 here, Yes, the culture of ...@tdennis, 12:47aka 9:48 here, Yes, the culture of a place matters a great deal. I think the students matter as well. Perhaps my classmates and I had a greater sense of entitlement. We respected and, sometimes, feared professors. But it was understood that past exams were to be available and that you could see old exams, model answers, and talk to the professor about your performance on the exam. You could make an appointment or go to office hours to do that. That was not a big deal at all. Of course people did that more in the first year, or if they were surprised by a grade in the 2nd or 3rd year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43186759859800458762012-01-14T14:50:32.577-08:002012-01-14T14:50:32.577-08:00@12:47. Honestly, I don't think it ever occurr...@12:47. Honestly, I don't think it ever occurred to my fellow students and I to ask. I suppose it was the culture of the place. It seems, looking back, that the professors and deans cloaked the process with such solemnity. The administration and professors stressed the dire consequences that awaited us if any of us had even the appearance of impropriety regarding the exam process. After the exam, the law school required us to turn in the exam itself, along with our "bluebooks" (before the advent of laptops) that contained our answers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-49767036911915313532012-01-14T14:05:11.281-08:002012-01-14T14:05:11.281-08:00lol@that everyone of them would not know.lol@that everyone of them would not know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-74190202846280475872012-01-14T13:59:59.741-08:002012-01-14T13:59:59.741-08:00lol @ the idea that a law professor knows what sor...lol @ the idea that a law professor knows what sort of exam a good lawyer would write.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-58700306456053385212012-01-14T13:38:11.668-08:002012-01-14T13:38:11.668-08:00Sorting works on multiple levels. If seeing old ex...Sorting works on multiple levels. If seeing old exams in any way helps a student get a better grade than he or she would have, (maybe it does for some people) it makes it more likely that person will be sorted into a favored bunch. You can get "there" because you intuitively understand how to do this or you can get there because you take extra steps to learn what does not come naturally to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-25686171057152013382012-01-14T13:29:59.700-08:002012-01-14T13:29:59.700-08:00I think that definition needs some work.I think that definition needs some work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-21063070043418030792012-01-14T13:25:48.485-08:002012-01-14T13:25:48.485-08:00If the end result and purpose is sorting, I don...If the end result and purpose is sorting, I don't see the relevance of whether or not teachers let students see old exams. The question is whether the system was set up to teach the skills necessary to do well on the exams, which "by definition" are those skills necessary to be a good lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34121189369745555962012-01-14T12:47:13.331-08:002012-01-14T12:47:13.331-08:00@tdennis,9:48 here. You really did not think you c...@tdennis,9:48 here. You really did not think you could talk to your professors about your exams or get old exams and answers from them? Was that just against the culture of the place? Do you know if it has changed? I certainly hope so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29200130655929565402012-01-14T12:19:46.999-08:002012-01-14T12:19:46.999-08:00Thank you so much Tricia for your comments. You&#...Thank you so much Tricia for your comments. You've said, better than I could have, what I was thinking about the mental illness issue raised in earlier comments. I think that ill-thought, arbitrary education that seems to serve no purpose other than sorting may be a cause of some of the distress. Not stress, not finances, but people being told they are not "smart," not "worthy," for what has yet to be shown has any good reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-70402231360298081812012-01-14T11:05:27.466-08:002012-01-14T11:05:27.466-08:00@10:42 You are kidding, right? You are acting th...@10:42 You are kidding, right? You are acting the role of law professor and carrying on in this way so readers of this blog can say, "See". But, let's play along. Saying "I've worked with a few on it" gives no information about why your colleagues'(1, 2,3 of them) methods would cause looks that would be hilarious. What's hard about that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34101647943639787622012-01-14T10:42:47.441-08:002012-01-14T10:42:47.441-08:00"How do you know how your colleagues determin..."How do you know how your colleagues determine assigned readings? Please give some examples."<br /><br />Do you really need detailed elaboration on how such a simple thing occured?<br /><br />This is why you're a stupid person. I take time out of my day to try to hand you a gift, and rather than accept it and say thank you, you want to argue with me, in the end grasping at straws like "how do you know your colleagues [who I just told you collaborated with me] assigned readings?"<br /><br />You are a dumb fool. Now get busy with your assigned readings, and take comfort in knowing that you did what you were told.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-82737222020213140392012-01-14T10:38:17.843-08:002012-01-14T10:38:17.843-08:00@9:48 I find it interesting that a school that is...@9:48 I find it interesting that a school that is already getting top performers(HYS), would take the extra step of educating its students on what a successful exam looks like; while, on the other hand my much lower ranked school, University of Tennessee, with perhaps on the whole, less gifted students could not be bothered to do such a thing. It appears that, at least when I attended, prestige is not the only thing that divided many law schools.<br /><br />Tricia DennsiAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01659995537790248686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-35946469102079362062012-01-14T10:37:21.740-08:002012-01-14T10:37:21.740-08:00How do you know how your colleagues determine assi...How do you know how your colleagues determine assigned readings? Please give some examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84141736576192606372012-01-14T10:35:26.093-08:002012-01-14T10:35:26.093-08:00Yes I've worked with a few on it, and seen how...Yes I've worked with a few on it, and seen how others do it.<br /><br />Please stop trying to find ways to excuse your ignorance. I know it pains you to have your naivete exposed, but better to be shocked and smarter than to be a comfortable idiot.<br /><br />Again, no one in any graduate program, ever, should do the "assigned readings."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-20311303895897523882012-01-14T10:29:01.640-08:002012-01-14T10:29:01.640-08:00You spend time on how colleagues "determine w...You spend time on how colleagues "determine what goes into the 'assigned readings'"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-22161106366108679922012-01-14T10:15:03.623-08:002012-01-14T10:15:03.623-08:00"you still haven't mentioned where you we..."you still haven't mentioned where you went to school. I'm guessing it wasn't Harvard."<br /><br />I didn't respond to this because it's even more idiotic than doing the "assigned readings." If you need to believe that I went to a "low ranked" law school then so be it. I also teach at a law school.<br /><br />It would be hilarious to see the look on your face if you saw how my colleagues determine what goes into the "assigned readings."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-23276159516130772712012-01-14T10:03:30.549-08:002012-01-14T10:03:30.549-08:00@tdennis-- 9:48 and 9:49 here-- Sorry for the doub...@tdennis-- 9:48 and 9:49 here-- Sorry for the double post everyone. I went to HYS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com