tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post1136529097183062345..comments2023-10-30T08:41:06.178-07:00Comments on Inside the Law School Scam: There are no new jobsLawProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05174586969709793419noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86535560937405620932012-12-01T08:22:18.448-08:002012-12-01T08:22:18.448-08:00Graduated from a good law school in 1976 with hono...Graduated from a good law school in 1976 with honors. I have never made more than $35,000 from law. It has been awful for decades. More opportunities for secretaries and paralegals. Most people do not realize it. Have had my own practice.....the hardest check for anyone to write is to a lawyer...then hope it does not bounce. For every lawyer job advertised....probably 600-1000 apply...there are no jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28105721537323801162011-12-10T06:56:14.877-08:002011-12-10T06:56:14.877-08:00@8:50: I read that differently:
"Still, whil...@8:50: I read that differently:<br /><br />"Still, while I am not sure the students view it this way, given that the price of matriculating a 1L has not dramatically increased and we have added substantially to what the students learn, we seem to be offering much more bang for the buck than we did just a few years back."<br /><br />It's apparently not that much more expensive at all... although, I haven't actually looked at how Harvard's tuition has changed. Maybe going from $45k to $50k doesn't seem "dramatic" to a professor.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84882355684161810882011-12-08T11:09:32.588-08:002011-12-08T11:09:32.588-08:00"He changed what he said between his earlier ..."He changed what he said between his earlier and later statement."<br /><br />No I didn't. I said that "All the job growth of the past 3 years has just barely been keeping up with population growth." Then I linked to data which showed just that. (OK, veerry slightly above population growth, but not nearly enough to repair the massive damage done in 2008. And most of those new jobs have been dead-end, low wage jobs.Charles Pyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04086353801992859902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43152909984497128832011-12-08T08:50:42.245-08:002011-12-08T08:50:42.245-08:00HLS' curricular reform, 3 years in:
http://pr...HLS' curricular reform, 3 years in:<br /><br />http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2011/12/harvard-laws-curricular-reform-3-years-in.html<br /><br />Spoiler alert: reform that makes law school more practice-oriented and relevant is well received, but is (at least was in Harvard's case) quite expensive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-45292472615905610792011-12-08T07:26:18.378-08:002011-12-08T07:26:18.378-08:00He changed what he said between his earlier and la...He changed what he said between his earlier and later statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-43484601906685887902011-12-08T07:21:16.098-08:002011-12-08T07:21:16.098-08:00@6:50: You have to read closer. He didn't say ...@6:50: You have to read closer. He didn't say there was no month that say a net increase in jobs, but that there was no net increase since 2008.<br /><br />We have fewer jobs than we did in 2008, pretty sure that's what he's trying to say, and the data he linked to backs that up.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-28538722244045240172011-12-08T06:50:51.982-08:002011-12-08T06:50:51.982-08:00Mr. Pye,
In your own link it says, "Bottom l...Mr. Pye,<br /><br />In your own link it says, "Bottom line: the number of net new jobs added in November was about 30,000." Other reports said 100,000 new jobs were added.<br /><br />So you're wrong even with the data in your cherry picked link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-46045149552114201032011-12-08T04:57:14.312-08:002011-12-08T04:57:14.312-08:00Oh, those dastardly Republicans. If only the Democ...Oh, those dastardly Republicans. If only the Democrats could win the Presidency and both houses of Congress, then everything would be right in the world.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-37093631022126171812011-12-08T01:24:21.075-08:002011-12-08T01:24:21.075-08:00@ the anonymous troll above:
http://motherjones.co...@ the anonymous troll above:<br />http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/12/chart-day-net-new-jobs<br /><br />For the economy as a whole, there are no new net jobs. There have not been any new net jobs since 2008. As long as the Republicans hold sway in Congress, and the rest of the world economy melts down, there will never be any new net jobs.Charles Pyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04086353801992859902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10945291666375762842011-12-08T00:28:49.742-08:002011-12-08T00:28:49.742-08:00more than 100more than 100Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-73397927673083650952011-12-07T21:47:33.372-08:002011-12-07T21:47:33.372-08:00You will show numbers that indicate other industri...You will show numbers that indicate other industries are providing a healthy amount of jobs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-34857732478880359082011-12-07T19:35:32.176-08:002011-12-07T19:35:32.176-08:00Anyone watching the Republican debates? These peop...Anyone watching the Republican debates? These people all seem insane. It's like we've gone back to the "if we dictate to the world they'll do whatever we want" delusion that caused the 00s.<br /><br />At the same time I'm really disappointed in Obama and don't want him to win either. <br /><br />Sigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-78044162518919613972011-12-07T19:13:52.173-08:002011-12-07T19:13:52.173-08:00"Sadly, the same is true in just about any in..."Sadly, the same is true in just about any industry these days"<br /><br />No it's not. What industry are you thinking of specifically, because we'll find the numbers and show you why you're wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-89284631598672745982011-12-07T18:27:35.655-08:002011-12-07T18:27:35.655-08:00I think I may have said this on another comment th...I think I may have said this on another comment thread, sorry for the redundancy.<br /><br />From 2002 to 2007, the legal industry increased by only 1.2% (compared to the population). Since the recession started, it has shrunk by about 6.1%.BL1Yhttp://www.constitutionaldaily.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-32756501930322368012011-12-07T17:15:57.087-08:002011-12-07T17:15:57.087-08:00Sadly, the same is true in just about any industry...Sadly, the same is true in just about any industry these days, especially the ones with higher-paying jobs where there's more pressure to keep work forces small. All the job growth of the past 3 years has just barely been keeping up with population growth. The only read "job growth" has been in bottom-of-the-barrel jobs, like wal-mart and temp labor.<br /><br />The job market right now is absolutely dog-eat-dog. If you want a job, you have to take it away from someone else. That's a brutal fact that we all have to face right now, and the only way out is through organized political action.Charles Pyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04086353801992859902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-29957488315234333712011-12-07T15:14:10.772-08:002011-12-07T15:14:10.772-08:00For the record, 10:39 was not me (I guess that'...For the record, 10:39 was not me (I guess that's what happens when you don't bother creating a username).<br /><br />-Method ManAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-86080592226287361922011-12-07T15:07:21.875-08:002011-12-07T15:07:21.875-08:00It's not trolling if it's the truth, no ma...It's not trolling if it's the truth, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-38912212730823057462011-12-07T14:54:29.160-08:002011-12-07T14:54:29.160-08:00"In dealing with my colleagues regarding the ..."In dealing with my colleagues regarding the issues touched on in this blog, I find it's remarkably difficult to get them to accept that there aren't any new legal jobs."<br /><br />That may the case with faculty. However, the law school administrations are realizing that their students, for better or worse, are wondering why they are taking a mortgage on their future without a shot at getting a job in law. That's starting to filter through. <br /><br />This gem came out of my law school:<br /><br />http://www.law.umich.edu/quadrangle/fall2011/specialfeatures/Pages/theStateofLegalEducation.aspx<br /><br />They weren't writing articles like this when I graduated in 1999.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-10001913467254447122011-12-07T14:44:45.255-08:002011-12-07T14:44:45.255-08:00lawprof, the entire thread is replete with steroid...lawprof, the entire thread is replete with steroid boy troll, not just the last few comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-84663790022529139132011-12-07T14:26:02.610-08:002011-12-07T14:26:02.610-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-39903231943744860232011-12-07T14:25:41.449-08:002011-12-07T14:25:41.449-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-77338722196865900542011-12-07T14:21:26.436-08:002011-12-07T14:21:26.436-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-40376546094192148502011-12-07T14:18:07.774-08:002011-12-07T14:18:07.774-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.terry malloynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-51355115489997544672011-12-07T14:12:26.770-08:002011-12-07T14:12:26.770-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5164886390834386622.post-57681516057493378372011-12-07T14:11:22.750-08:002011-12-07T14:11:22.750-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com